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Ffftttt ... Boom! Great Bullet Combos

Petey

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I always save a tag or two for our PA ( primitive ) Flintlock season. Around these parts it's like a tradition. One last hurrah after Christmas, to get together with family and friends and fill the last of your tags (or for some.. attempt to fill) So many stories of mishaps, guns not going off, clean misses at near point blank ranges... in short it's just a hoot, especially when it's not you that's getting made fun of. Over the years, I've become pretty deadly with my ol' TC Renegade, punching my ticket on quite a few whitetails. Before PA allowed conical bullets, you're only option was patch and ball. Those times did result in a lot of tracking deer with retrieved flattened round balls. When they opened it up, I molded and greased my own 249gr maxi-ball. It was just the ticket and actually what that TC was rifled for. Deer started not running as far, plus it was super accurate out past 100 yards. Super as in 2" with those big ol flat boiler plate iron sights.

When the Sabots made their debut, I figured I'd try those out. Main point of this post is to discuss this awesome bullet combo, where I've taken many deer and almost every one fell right in their tracks when hit with this combo. So I'll set it up, TC Renegade 50 Caliber. I'm shooting a 240gr Hornady XTP hollow point in a 44 mag pistol bullet, inside a .490 green sabot. The velocity that old flintlock pushes this particular bullet must be IDEAL, as it has performed flawlessly for me over the years. As stated, 90+% of the deer hit with this bullet fell in it's tracks. Head on shots, broadside, angled, you name it...

Leads me to this past week. I haven't got out much as it's been typically raining for the most part of the season. Rain and even wet snow doesn't bode well with that pan powder. Nothing worse than getting a pan full of chicken shit looking powder that wouldn't go off if you used a torch, let alone a single spark from the frizzen/flint. The wife says "you do realize we only have 2 jars of canned venison, right?" Well, no I didn't, but that's an easy problem to fix. I'll go out for an evening sit, now that we had a small dusting.
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14 degrees out, the little shanty and buddy heater was nice and cozy. Out steps 6 deer in the lane pictured, around 60 yards and they start heading my way. Once the lead doe hit 35 yards, I put my front bead on her chest and ... Fffftt...booom. She stood straight up and rolled over backwards, like she was hit with Thor's hammer. Pretty typical reaction from this combo. You normally know if you miss, because they aren't laying there once the smoke clears.

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of course her fawn from this year didn't scatter too far, as I reloaded. In fact she had to come back to investigate, why mom is laying there. Looks like about 14 quart jars of canned meat to me, problem solved!
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So on to the performance.. As I'm cutting her up I find my slug in one of the hind quarter roasts. That bullet traveled through the chest, through the whole body and lodged in the rear ham. After cleaning the bullet up, she only lost 20 grains, with a better than perfect mushroom. Now I've shot this same bullet into deer, with a pistol and not had the same affect. I believe the velocity that ol smokepole pushes it, is the optimum velocity. Case in point..

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retained weight.
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Anyhow, I know the world of muzzleloader bullets have come a long way since the round ball, but I'd recommend this combo for any whitetailed size game (or bigger). I've shot many deer, with this combo and it's never left me down.

What do you all use?
 
Good times!
Me and buddies have been using that exact same bullet/sabot combo for many years with our black powder guns with the same excellent results that you report. I haven’t found a more deadly combo for deer out of a muzzle whomper!!
Gary
 
Here in Okla we can use inlines. IMO, it was a zillion times more fun with the old style muzzle loaders. I've never killed a deer over 100 yds with a muzzle loader and that's just almost to easy with todays rifles. If it were up to me, we would all be shooting traditional rifles. They call in primitive season here in Oklahoma. Nothing much primitive about a muzzle loader shooting smokeless powder out to 300 yds and beyond. Just my thoughts. Great story and pictures.
 
WOW! What memories you brought back to me. Just took this picture of the wall above my computer. LOOK.

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Built that rifle from a kit back in the late 1960's. Killed many a deer with round ball during that Pennsylvania muzzleloader season after Christmas. Had more than one "Pfft's" without any "boom" during rainy, damp days. Still have a plastic cover to put over the lock in an effort to keep it dry and maybe go off.

Most of the time there was some form of snow on the ground and good hits, as you spoke of, did give me the chance to follow the red dots to the kill. If you look at the larger picture below that was my Red V hunting camp in Centre Co. Most of the use I got with this TC rifle was on my place near Apollo, Pa in Washington Twp.

Long retired this rifle since I left Pa. in 1999. Have shot it just twice the last 20+ years just for "shits and giggles". Thanks for the memories. Your pictures sure helped make your story precious to me.
 
WOW! What memories you brought back to me. Just took this picture of the wall above my computer. LOOK.

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Built that rifle from a kit back in the late 1960's. Killed many a deer with round ball during that Pennsylvania muzzleloader season after Christmas. Had more than one "Pfft's" without any "boom" during rainy, damp days. Still have a plastic cover to put over the lock in an effort to keep it dry and maybe go off.

Most of the time there was some form of snow on the ground and good hits, as you spoke of, did give me the chance to follow the red dots to the kill. If you look at the larger picture below that was my Red V hunting camp in Centre Co. Most of the use I got with this TC rifle was on my place near Apollo, Pa in Washington Twp.

Long retired this rifle since I left Pa. in 1999. Have shot it just twice the last 20+ years just for "shits and giggles". Thanks for the memories. Your pictures sure helped make your story precious to me.
So many memories! You did pretty good with that Hawken's kit. She sure is pretty!

The story sure doesn't end here.

So, some 11ish give or take years ago, my son takes his first deer with my trusty flintlock, being a "watcher" or "stander" in one of those famous PA deer drives. Mind you he was 7 or 8 and we were cashing in on PA's youth mentored program. Standing a mere 3.5 feet tall and using a mono-pad he dropped one in it's tracks at 50 yards. I chuckled in amazement, and brushed off the flash pan burn from my face, since I was holding the mono-pod. As the boys come to cut his shirt tail for missing, they were astonished as that little turd was tagging his first flintlock deer.

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Flash forward to this past Saturday, home from college for the weekend and a tag to fill. He asks me if we can go out. Heck yeah, why not... a big storm is coming and there's only a day-and-half left to season. Deer should be moving tonight. I asked him where he wanted to sit and he said, "what do you think?" Well, I know where I shot one 2 days ago, and there should be 5 left in that group (not to mention the 3 legal bucks, and 3 other doe I saw that night). Go climb up in my one stand, fire up the heater and get ready at 4:15. I'll go set in another stand and observe. At 4:10, I heard a shot...I missed it by 5 mins... the texts read like this...

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kids never come prepared! Guess who had to bring him a knife? lol more canning meat for mom.

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Same bullet combo .. same results. We sure love our late season Flintlock hunting!
 
Maybe someday Petey you’ll show me how it’s done so I can be a bona fide Jeremiah Johnston? And I know a for a fact that young man can shoot! Another nice write up Petey!
 

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