FED DOJ Demands Google and Apple Turn Over Scope User IDs

[Mike7.62]

FWIW, a very close friend runs one of the most respected cyber security firms known globally.
The point being since 9/11 any of a number of “keywords” posted on internet forums, messaging services, etc, can get instantly picked up, looked at, including the who, where, what, when, of who posted it by any number of federal agencies.
The simple truth is “ don’t put stupid shit on the internet......ever.

Gotta love that thing called "freedom of speech..." which, IIRC is part of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Of course since the Constitution is a dead letter and has been since the 1930's, it's all moot anyway.

 

[338 dude]

Well with them not unlocking even a terrorists phone and not caving into govt “demands” it made me respect them even more

I feel the same way I don’t know why medic 505 seems to think the exact opposite

 

[Tim s]

Gotta love that thing called "freedom of speech..." which, IIRC is part of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Of course since the Constitution is a dead letter and has been since the 1930's, it's all moot anyway.

Apparently so is “reading for understanding”.

 

[CT10ring]

Just another reason to not buy apple. I never have, never will.

I have, and / or have owned, many dozens Macs. Best of the best, especially if you are an artist, photographer, visual creator in any sense, movie maker, editor, musician. Or creative. Or not creative, any regard. Just that is Apple has - a software predilection for creators, not a bias, just an easy to use interface.

Designed in USA, made in China.

Perhaps the best iteration of state of the art intellect brought to bear on the most powerful realm of shared knowledge, usage and application of ideas - in the past 30 yrs. --Apple. Just one mans observation. Mac Pro for me. WYSIWYG.

 

[Medic505]

I feel the same way I don’t know why medic 505 seems to think the exact opposite

Trying to justify my remarks to someone who obviously doesn't grasp the concepts of third grade punctuation would not only be a waste of my time, but yours too.

For others,
The two dead jihadists, who left in their wake 14 dead and 21 wounded, have no rights as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure Dusty will chime in here and tell me how wrong I am, I guess that's just a matter of opinion. As I see it, Apples lack of cooperation with authorities in this matter makes them little more than terrorist sympathizers. Truthfully, would you expect anything less from a left leaning group like Apple?

WYSIWYG

IRDGASWYT.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Trying to justify my remarks to someone who obviously doesn't grasp the concepts of third grade punctuation would not only be a waste of my time, but yours too.

For others,
The two dead jihadists, who left in their wake 14 dead and 21 wounded, have no rights as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure Dusty will chime in here and tell me how wrong I am, I guess that's just a matter of opinion. As I see it, Apples lack of cooperation with authorities in this matter makes them little more than terrorist sympathizers. Truthfully, would you expect anything less from a left leaning group like Apple?


IRDGASWYT.

I agree they had no rights at all.

 

[fantastic]

This is not about putting stuffs on the internet, its about that private stuff you don't put on the internet.

 

[D-4297]

I can see both sides of the discussion , but I personally applaud Apple for refusing to un-lock that phone . They weren't protecting a Terrorists Rights .....THEY WERE PROTECTING OURS ! Once you open that door , it can never be closed again . EVER ! And if you don't get that , you slept through History and American Government classes , when they were explaining the 4th Amendment !

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I can see both sides of the discussion , but I personally applaud Apple for refusing to un-lock that phone . They weren't protecting a Terrorists Rights .....THEY WERE PROTECTING OURS ! Once you open that door , it can never be closed again . EVER ! And if you don't get that , you slept through History and American Government classes , when they were explaining the 4th Amendment !

Yep

 

[Medic505]

I didn't have the luxury of sleeping in Civics or American History. Mr. Shaw saw to that. As I recall, the 4th amendment protects US from unreasonable search and seizure. There's also a line in that amendment that says something about "probable cause". I wonder if it had be your friends or relatives, or even if you lived across the street from those two douche bags, would probable cause crossed your mind?

 

[Medic505]

THEY WERE PROTECTING OURS

BS. If you're a card carrying ANTIFA member, they might care a little about you. The rest of US, they could care less.

 

[D-4297]

Wrote my comment on vacation ; and hadn't gotten back to a computer until today . SOoooo..... @Medic505 - "The right of the people to be secure in their persons , houses , papers , and effects , against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated , and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause , supported by Oath or affirmation , and particularly describing the place to be searched , and the persons , or things to be seized" .

Which part of that needs to be explained to you , Sir ? I don't give a rats ass if you , or anyone is a member of any group , Pro , or Con to the ideals of this nation , but I will not allow a bunch of high-handed , over-reaching Bureaucrats to violate a single one of the Bill of Rights , or the Constitution , without putting up one Hell of a fight over it . I took a Oath to defend both , in November of 1969 , and last checked , there was no expiration date on that , Either ! You either stand with ALL of the Bill of Rights , or you stand with none of them . You don't get to pick and choose . Give a Liberal a inch , and they'll come back tomorrow for a mile .....Don't remember the old "joke" , about the Lawyer , the Baker , and the Cobbler ? When they came for "Me" , There was no one left to object .

 

[David101]

More to the point will the American Government pursue the matter across their borders and into sovereign countries? Ones they do not have a declared war with? Just how friendly of a country would they undertake missions into? Perhaps they may use the foreign countries authorities to recover the items?

 

[Medic505]

Wrote my comment on vacation ; and hadn't gotten back to a computer until today . SOoooo..... @Medic505 - "The right of the people to be secure in their persons , houses , papers , and effects , against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated , and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause , supported by Oath or affirmation , and particularly describing the place to be searched , and the persons , or things to be seized" .

Which part of that needs to be explained to you , Sir ? I don't give a rats ass if you , or anyone is a member of any group , Pro , or Con to the ideals of this nation , but I will not allow a bunch of high-handed , over-reaching Bureaucrats to violate a single one of the Bill of Rights , or the Constitution , without putting up one Hell of a fight over it . I took a Oath to defend both , in November of 1969 , and last checked , there was no expiration date on that , Either ! You either stand with ALL of the Bill of Rights , or you stand with none of them . You don't get to pick and choose . Give a Liberal a inch , and they'll come back tomorrow for a mile .....Don't remember the old "joke" , about the Lawyer , the Baker , and the Cobbler ? When they came for "Me" , There was no one left to object .

I really don't care what you think.

 

[Medic505]

And while we're at it, why don't you man up and add your name to your posts. Are you in witness protection?

 

[300_whisper]

Jesus gents. Same team, same team.

 

[praveen]

The issue wasn't that the govt./FBI was just asking to obtain information on the terrorist's phone. The issue was the FBI wanted Apple to create a specially signed software that could be loaded on that phone to circumvent certain security features like auto-erase the device after 10 attempts etc.
Doing this would have set a precedent where FBI or any other govt. agency could demand other companies to create any kind of such software to "protect" us.
Once a precedent is set, next time it becomes a lot easier to get a broader scoped warrant or like with a certain 3-lettered agency, no warrant.

 

[D-4297]

Thank you , Praveen . I'm glad somebody got it . Our Founders created these documents to protect ALL of us . Not just the wealthy , powerful and the politically connected . Not just the ; "Justice" is for "JUST US", crowd .

 

[dc.fireman]

The issue wasn't that the govt./FBI was just asking to obtain information on the terrorist's phone. The issue was the FBI wanted Apple to create a specially signed software that could be loaded on that phone to circumvent certain security features like auto-erase the device after 10 attempts etc.
Doing this would have set a precedent where FBI or any other govt. agency could demand other companies to create any kind of such software to "protect" us.
Once a precedent is set, next time it becomes a lot easier to get a broader scoped warrant or like with a certain 3-lettered agency, no warrant.

Annnnd, Apple's additional argument also made sense: If we build a system containing security exploits (even for a supposed 'just cause'), then it's not very secure, is it?

Several years later, this article still gives me the chills:

https://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/