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Father Son Savage .223 Project

Well, the father son project is well on the way. For those who don't know what I'm talking about it's my nine year old son Logan's,soon to be ten Dad, he reminds me) first attempt to make the jump from 22 rimfire to center fire with shooting the Ground Hog Matches in mind. This summer he'll be in training at our Tuesday fun shoots and when he feels ready,and Dad's satisfied he's capable) I'll let him compete in his first real Match.

Rifle is a Savage 12 Varminter single shot in .223,not the new LRPV)but the laminated stock version RBRP. Out of the box the accutrigger is at 22 ounces. I had to relieve the wood around the tang somewhat since it was touching, so now we have .012 all the way around. The throating is like a custom chamber, not long at all. If I seat a 69 grain Sierra MK long and let the bolt do the final seating the OAL measures 2.380 with boat tail bearing surface junction just a bit above the neck shoulder junction. Sweet, free bore must be in the .060-.070 range. That's absolutely fantastic for a factory chamber. Don't tell the lawyers. Savage is definitely doing something right.

Even though this is a .223 I wanted it to be heavy enough to further eliminate recoil for Logan. With the factory class restrictions in mind the only legal way to add weight is with the scope, rings, and mounts. So I got to scrounging around and came up with a Warne 20MOA steel 1913 Pictanny base, and a pair of Big A**ed Max 50 Badger rings which weigh about 14 ounces on their own. Didn't need rings for a 50 BMG, but they are heavy, and can add legal weight. Digging around I mounted a Nightforce 12-42BR that came off of the short range BR rifle that I sold. Logan already knows that maybe Dad will someday give him the rifle, but I'm keeping DIBS on that Nightforce. LOL!
Threw all this together, added a little salt and pepper, and now the complete rifle weighs 13 pounds 12.5 ounces. Since he won't be carrying this around, it will be shot off a front rest rear bag setup on a bench, so not to worry.
I didn't bed the action yet, we will see how it shoots first, and if needed I'll skim coat it later. Savage does use steel pillars so I think it may be ok.

Figuring on a load of 25.0-25.5 grains of Varget, CCI 450, Sierra 69 grain Match King.

That's as far as we are, so we will keep you posted!

Danny
 
just a question on the load. back when i still had a .223 i tried loading some with varget and was only able to get about 23 grains before i was compressing it alot with 68 grain hornady's. and the oal was ALOT longer then the 68 grain .223 black hills ammo i had. im pretty sure black hills isnt using varget, but will .223 work with that combo?
 
Danny,

Neat project. I'm envious of anyone who has a 12-42 NightForce "lying around". I don't know if you're allowed any stock mods, but I found my varmint style stock was a lot steadier when I took a flat sanding block to the underside of the fore-end and took out most of the radius. A couple costs of oil when you're done and no-one would be the wiser. :D
 
25.5gr of Varget, 69gr SMK's just at the lands, and Rem 7 1/2 primers is right on the money for my savage 10fp. Using winchester brass, no less, my groups average under 0.5" at 100yds,when I really concentrate they will go into the 3's with regularity). SSS comp trigger, recoil lug, action timed a trued by Fred with a nice pillar/glass bedding job.
Your giving your son a great start in a life of shooting sports.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
Mike
 
Paul,

LOL! The only reason I had that Nightforce lying around was that when it came off the rifle I sold. I thought to myself how hard it would be to come up with the money to buy another one since I'm now retired, so I salted it away for a rainy day. Same with the Mega Badgers, all I had to do was buy the Warne base from MidSouth.

The stock mod unfortunately would be illegal, but this is one of the new low profile stocks, and I think it just may ride the bags better than the original "high side" stocks.

The 25.5 grain load I plunked right out of the Sierra manual, naturally I'll work up to it using the standard precautions.

This is going slowly since Logan is "helping" me with it, but I want him to learn that "you just don't go buy a rifle and then shoot fabulous groups", he's learning about things like relieving the tang, scope ring lapping, load workup etc.
I'll probably do the initial zeroing myself since he isn't out of school for the summer yet, and Little League, and Cub Scouts, has us tied up four nights a week. Also there is a lot of activities at our club on the weekends and I want a weekday with the range pretty much to ourselves to begin teaching him all the other good stuff. He's a competitive little guy, and he wants to shoot with the "guys" he knows from going along to the range with me.
Sounds like a fun summer.

Danny
 
Danny, the Savage sounds like a good choice for factory rifle. I'd wondered about the chambers they're cutting, since so many shooters have commented on getting good accuracy out of the box. One of my friends here who's just getting back into competitive shooting after a multi-year lay-off bought a new 12BVSS in 223 in Feb., and has been shooting it with Hornady 75 AMaxes/H4895 in our club's new BR varmint silhouette matches. He finished last Sunday's match just one point down from the winning score in some wicked fishtailing winds,and the winner was shooting S107MKs in a 6 Dasher with an 8-twist Krieger bbl.).

The more I look at Savages, the more I appreciate what the factory's doing with them. I bought a Win M70 Stealth in 223 last fall, and have it set up with a JARD trigger, Nikon Buckmaster 6-18 SF scope, and a fresh crown to replace the ragged original - this is my loaner rifle for the VS matches. If I didn't already have it shooting pretty well at 500M with 75 AMaxes, I'd be looking for a 12BVSS.
 
Dennis,

I chose the Savage since this is something Logan can grow with.
When he's ready to move up from the .223 a bolt head only cost $50 for any caliber imaginable. Stocks can be had from SSS for a bunch less than a McMillan and in my opinion work as well. Same goes for barrels, it's definitely modular, and user friendly.
Being a Remington man all my life the goofy bolt arrangement takes some getting used to, but the trigger and chamber are light years better than a Remington.
We're about to find out how it shoots, so I'll keep you posted.

Danny
 
Well today was Logan's first day at the range with the Savage, and he did surprisingly well. He managed a five shot 3.560 group at 500 meters in heavy mirage with a five mph cross wind. He also shot well enough at 200/300/500 meters to outscore Dad by three points. Load was Winchester brass, 25.5 grains Varget, CCI 450, Sierra 69 grain MK's.
He got kissed on the nose twice since he really can't get his shoulder behind the butt, but that didn't stop him at all. Pretty good for the first time out shooting center fire.

I've tried the Berger 75 VLD's in the Savage, and although three or four would be in a nice group at 200/300 meters one or two would take off for some unexplained reason really opening up the group?????? Perhaps the nine twist just isn't enough for them. I don't know.
The Berger 70 grain VLD shows promise, but as of right now they are not shooting any better than the Sierra's. I haven't shot either enough to develop an aggregate so further testing is in order. We'll go back next week and I'll try them both again while Logan sticks with the Sierra's.

As an aside, we put 60 rounds down the tube today without cleaning,total on barrel 227). Had copper on the first three patches, then a couple more with powder fouling and that was it.
The Savage is cleaning up better than expected for a factory rifle. We're using Pro Shot Copper Solvent IV exclusively.

Danny
 
Jason,

Can't make it this weekend. Fathers Day stuff planned, so shootings on a back burner till next week. Yep, he beat me fair and square. Those factory guns are tough to shoot.

Danny
 
It was a nice day...my first time at the Fun Shoots.
And I witnessed the beating first hand...went home, told my 8 year old,soon to be 9, as he reminds me). I sure hope my sons has as much fun as Logan had. That sharpshooter was beaming ear to ear after punching better holes than pop.

We are heading to the range Friday. He can't wait.

I posted a little article about the event http://pahuntfishshoot.com/?p=299. I'll edit it to include the father/son match details.
 

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