Fair and Balance 2

[accurateaimee]

In response to my first Post...I have been observing the way teams are picked for quite a long time, but as you can see, I have been crucified by just about everyone that posted a reply. Actually, I'm not a shooter at all....just an outside observer. I have mentioned this same attitude and system about picking teams to a coach 3-4 years ago already. It's not hard to see. It seems I hit a "nerve".... it is what it is. Pretty obvious it won't change. Just a suggestion for the good of shooting and any newbies that might like to try out for a team..at least give them a heads up as to what their chances might be...just how much their shooting scores count as compared to attitude, who you are, where you are from, who you know, etc. As far as attitude...someone in one of the replies told me to shut up. That's a great attitude and I'm sure they will make a great team player! To the person who replied about a guy beating the family dog and torturing small animals...really?? I would like to thank everyone that replied to my "first and only" post...you helped me prove my point!! Now I'll shut up.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

You should come around more often and participate in the forum. The sports grow around the ones involved. As you can see theres some palma shooters involved here and im sure theyll have a discussion about anything at any time

 

[Erud]

In response to my first Post...I have been observing the way teams are picked for quite a long time, but as you can see, I have been crucified by just about everyone that posted a reply. Actually, I'm not a shooter at all....just an outside observer. I have mentioned this same attitude and system about picking teams to a coach 3-4 years ago already. It's not hard to see. It seems I hit a "nerve".... it is what it is. Pretty obvious it won't change. Just a suggestion for the good of shooting and any newbies that might like to try out for a team..at least give them a heads up as to what their chances might be...just how much their shooting scores count as compared to attitude, who you are, where you are from, who you know, etc. As far as attitude...someone in one of the replies told me to shut up. That's a great attitude and I'm sure they will make a great team player! To the person who replied about a guy beating the family dog and torturing small animals...really?? I would like to thank everyone that replied to my "first and only" post...you helped me prove my point!! Now I'll shut up.

Accurateaimee,
Firstly, I am not involved with the Vets team and don't know their inner workings, so I am speaking specifically about the Palma team. It might be worth noting that the system of selection based on the "total package" of shooters as opposed to just straight scores was used on the 2015 cycle. This resulted in a gold medal for the Vets team, and the Palma team setting a new record score in the match only to take 2nd place to an insanely good Great Britain team. Not bad, certainly a much better performance than had been turned in for quite a few cycles.

I'm a nobody civilian from the middle of nowhere, and I qualified for the US National Team (the development program for the US Palma Team) at a tryout in 2013. I didn't know a single person involved with the team when I showed up to the tryout. My elevation scores were good enough to make that initial cut to get my foot in the door. I knew it was way too late to get onto the 2015 team (and I wouldn't have been ready anyways), so I decided right then and there that I wanted to be on the 2019 Palma team. Fast forward to today, and I am on the 2019 Palma team. I've been evaluated for the last 5 years. That's 5 years of the team looking at my scores, elevation plots, performance in team matches, general attitude, etc. I did not have any friends in high places. I worked my ass off, and so did the others on the team.

While scores at a single match or event are not the sole basis for team selection, don't think they aren't considered. That said, looking at the results of a match and saying "That shooter should/shouldn't be on the Palma team" is a mistake. Any scorecard is just a snapshot of a shooter, and great individual shooters aren't always great team shooters. The system of taking the top 20 individual shooters from the Palma match at Perry rarely resulted in great team performances. There are no bad shooters on the 2019 Palma team, and I am confident that none of them were selected because of who they know or where they live. Some are well known, while others are not, but every one of us earned our spots. If you have some evidence to suggest otherwise, I'd love to hear it.

Also, posting your real name would go a long way to giving you some credibility in this discussion.

Erik Rhode

 

[JFrank]

In response to my first Post...I have been observing the way teams are picked for quite a long time, but as you can see, I have been crucified by just about everyone that posted a reply. Actually, I'm not a shooter at all....just an outside observer. I have mentioned this same attitude and system about picking teams to a coach 3-4 years ago already. It's not hard to see. It seems I hit a "nerve".... it is what it is. Pretty obvious it won't change. Just a suggestion for the good of shooting and any newbies that might like to try out for a team..at least give them a heads up as to what their chances might be...just how much their shooting scores count as compared to attitude, who you are, where you are from, who you know, etc. As far as attitude...someone in one of the replies told me to shut up. That's a great attitude and I'm sure they will make a great team player! To the person who replied about a guy beating the family dog and torturing small animals...really?? I would like to thank everyone that replied to my "first and only" post...you helped me prove my point!! Now I'll shut up.

I'm sorry I missed your first post.i know It's tough to hear negative responses for anyone however if you have conviction and hold your ground. You'll find that more people than not will respect you and your opinions, have faith and stay around.
Jim

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

have you considered switching to something more equitable, like golf or tennis...?

I would expect they would have told you, in rather simple terms, why you did not make the team.

 

[dolek]

Accurateaimee,
Firstly, I am not involved with the Vets team and don't know their inner workings, so I am speaking specifically about the Palma team. It might be worth noting that the system of selection based on the "total package" of shooters as opposed to just straight scores was used on the 2015 cycle. This resulted in a gold medal for the Vets team, and the Palma team setting a new record score in the match only to take 2nd place to an insanely good Great Britain team. Not bad, certainly a much better performance than had been turned in for quite a few cycles.

I'm a nobody civilian from the middle of nowhere, and I qualified for the US National Team (the development program for the US Palma Team) at a tryout in 2013. I didn't know a single person involved with the team when I showed up to the tryout. My elevation scores were good enough to make that initial cut to get my foot in the door. I knew it was way too late to get onto the 2015 team (and I wouldn't have been ready anyways), so I decided right then and there that I wanted to be on the 2019 Palma team. Fast forward to today, and I am on the 2019 Palma team. I've been evaluated for the last 5 years. That's 5 years of the team looking at my scores, elevation plots, performance in team matches, general attitude, etc. I did not have any friends in high places. I worked my ass off, and so did the others on the team.

While scores at a single match or event are not the sole basis for team selection, don't think they aren't considered. That said, looking at the results of a match and saying "That shooter should/shouldn't be on the Palma team" is a mistake. Any scorecard is just a snapshot of a shooter, and great individual shooters aren't always great team shooters. The system of taking the top 20 individual shooters from the Palma match at Perry rarely resulted in great team performances. There are no bad shooters on the 2019 Palma team, and I am confident that none of them were selected because of who they know or where they live. Some are well known, while others are not, but every one of us earned our spots. If you have some evidence to suggest otherwise, I'd love to hear it.

Also, posting your real name would go a long way to giving you some credibility in this discussion.

Erik Rhode

Well said Sir, and congrats on making the team.

 

[clowdis]

accurateaimee,
Any time there is a team selected for anything someone gets their feelings hurt or doesn't understand what happened with the "system" or how it worked. This is unfortunate and I wish I could fix it but it's human nature. I had some of the same feelings in 2015 when I didn't get selected for the team, but I sucked it up and moved on. Had better luck this cycle. 2023 will be here pretty quick and another opportunity will present itself.

 

[wbm]

Actually, I'm not a shooter at all....just an outside observer.
I'm a nobody civilian from the middle of nowhere, and I qualified for the US National Team

Oops.My bad.

 

[Erud]

The statements above can both be wrong but they cannot both be true. Interesting. How did you happen to find this particular web site? Just random?
So you think you observe enough to be proficient in determining unfairness in team selections? Not that it cannot be done but it is rather odd don't you think?
No disrespect but it occurred to me that there something rather nefarious about your posts.

Not sure what you are getting at here, but you quoted 2 different people.

 

[pirate ammo]

The statements above can both be wrong but they cannot both be true. Interesting. How did you happen to find this particular web site? Just random?
So you think you observe enough to be proficient in determining unfairness in team selections? Not that it cannot be done but it is rather odd don't you think?
No disrespect but it occurred to me that there something rather nefarious about your posts.

I really don't want to point this out, but it looks like you took quotes from two different people and made them into one, If I'm wrong I apologize right now,,

 

[pirate ammo]

Not sure what you are getting at here, but you quoted 2 different people.

O.K.,,it's not just me,,

 

[wbm]

You are right....more coffee please.

 

[pirate ammo]

You are right....more coffee please.

I just want to know how you done that, might come in handy one day,,

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I just want to know how you done that, might come in handy one day,,

Scroll back up and hit reply on as many as you want

 

[joshb]

In response to my first Post...I have been observing the way teams are picked for quite a long time, but as you can see, I have been crucified by just about everyone that posted a reply. Actually, I'm not a shooter at all....just an outside observer. I have mentioned this same attitude and system about picking teams to a coach 3-4 years ago already. It's not hard to see. It seems I hit a "nerve".... it is what it is. Pretty obvious it won't change. Just a suggestion for the good of shooting and any newbies that might like to try out for a team..at least give them a heads up as to what their chances might be...just how much their shooting scores count as compared to attitude, who you are, where you are from, who you know, etc. As far as attitude...someone in one of the replies told me to shut up. That's a great attitude and I'm sure they will make a great team player! To the person who replied about a guy beating the family dog and torturing small animals...really?? I would like to thank everyone that replied to my "first and only" post...you helped me prove my point!! Now I'll shut up.

I posted that to make a point.
I simply used an extreme example to illustrate the fact that a great shooter might not be a good team player. Too much of a mental stretch, I guess. I find it odd that a “non shooter” would join a forum and his/her first post is a criticism about the choosing of a rifle team’s members.
It feels like something some guy’s unhappy mother would do.

 

[pirate ammo]

Scroll back up and hit reply on as many as you want

over post it says;pirate said, or dusty said, or all that,,his didn't said anything, got to work on this,,

 

[Dusty Stevens]

over post it says;pirate said, or dusty said, or all that,,his didn't said anything, got to work on this,,

You can just delete the name or change anything else

over post it says;pirate said, or badass said, or all that,,his didn't said anything, got to work on this,,

 

[Milo 2.0]

It feels like something some guy’s unhappy mother would do.

Thanks, that made my day. Change this to shooting, lol

 

[corning]

The opening post has a "deja vu" feeling about it. From Wisconsin, joins Monday (9/17) with an alias, make one post, and "walk away"?

John Corning

 

[spclark]

Heck, way things are now you coulda done something in high school that’d keep you from getting on the team now that you’re 40, 50 years older... and maybe smarter... to make no mention of a better shooter AND a team player.