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Failure to fire - Light Primer Strikes?

When I f-formed the 30 WolfPup cases, it was with a Panda with a standard sliding plate extractor. The bullets were jammed a bit and the shoulder was blown forward .240 . With hundreds of cases done this way there was never a failure to fire. With my 30BR's, I intentionally push the shoulders back .020 via a shortened shell holder prior to the first firing. Again...never a failure to fire.

Ready to f-form on the left, fired case on the right:
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Did the op say what stock he was using. Another thing to consider would be the rear action screw might be thru the stock and action enough to touch the striker. I am not familiar with this type of action to say for sure without having one in hand.
It is a McMillan XIT. I don’t think the rear action screw protrudes through the action. However if the firing pin fix and cleaning the trigger do not resolve the issue, I’ll look there.
 
It is a McMillan XIT. I don’t think the rear action screw protrudes through the action. However if the firing pin fix and cleaning the trigger do not resolve the issue, I’ll look there.
Unless it's been modified, the rear action screw hole on Pandas and Kodiaks are a blind hole. I do the through hole modification on them along with opening up the area over the trigger. -Al
 
Be a hard head. Don't take advantage of problems others of had by trying what worked for them. Guys like you are reasons why guys like me quit trying to give advice learned from many years of shooting and personal,experience backed by 10s of thousands of rounds fired.
Jeff, please give me a detailed example of how a case can move forward by a significant enough amount while held by the extractor ?
 
Jeff, please give me a detailed example of how a case can move forward by a significant enough amount while held by the extractor ?
You don't need another example. What you need is to believe what I posted. Why would you not? I'm sorry, but what you think does not trump what I and several others have seen and done....unless you work for Hornady. Lol! I assure you I didn't make it up. That's all.
 
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I built a lot of 280 Ackley's years ago. There were a significant number that violated rule #1. Don't do anything to make the phone ring. I would get calls calls that when starting with factory ammo they would get FTF. I finally started short chambering them. .005" was all it took to stop the phone calls.
 
Thank you Dave and Mike, appreciate the response without the negativity of some other guys that just what to throw insults and tip over the table.
I'm glad you didn't take offense to my post but yes, it's real. I've been doing this, not as long as some, but for so long now that I kinda assume most everyone that loads and shoots a lot has run into this. I've seen posts where people blamed the primers, usually a relatively hard one like a cci, because the problem went away by swapping out with say 205's, a softer primer. Logically, the harder primer does it more commonly and yes, a softer primer can often make the issue go away through fireforming. At that point, either works fine.

It's been a long while back and I wish I had saved it or knew where to send you but I read a good article or study on primers that went into great detail about them. Composition may even be different these days but one thing from reading it that stuck with me was that primers used a silca product(glass) in the formula and for optimum ignition, the primer compound needs to be hit with enough speed and energy to really shatter that compound, ideally into a dust. Breaking it is one thing but shattering it into dust is something else. I relate that a lot to how ignition in our equipment is so critical. Anything that cushions or deadens that blow to the primer is bad. Just because it goes off doesn't mean it was optimal either.

Everything I posted above is based on experience and many times. IDK but if I was guessing, I've had it happen maybe 100 times or more over the years, out of maybe, another WAG, 100,000 rounds loaded in those years. Every single time that I can remember, it never happed after the same cases were fireformed. I honestly don't think I've ever had a bad primer with the exception of one that was missing the anvil. I caught that before loading it. I'm probably forgetting something but the idea is the same. Bad primers are super rare and anything that even slightly deadens the fp strike can cause misfires. Count your blessings if you've never had it happen yet but it probably will, sooner or later. Oh yeah, once the primer is hit once but doesn't fire, it's not impossible but it's far more likely for it to never fire. I've had those go both ways. If ya think about it though, it'd be hard to shatter what's already broken, speaking of the compound in the primer. It'd be a frustrating test but it'd be interesting to group those misfired primers on target..at least the ones that will go off when hit again, and see how bad they'd shoot. Not practical but it'd be interesting if ya could do it.

It's more common on wildcats and cartridges where you are relying on bullet jam to hold it against the bolt, than on anything standard. I've had it quite a bit on different actions when fireforming my 30 Major. The brass runs short and it probably worsens that issue if the shoulder gets distorted a bit while necking it up. I've learned to not even try hard primers while fireforming for it. It's frustrating but it'll tell on you if you flinch on a misfire. I've done it bad enough I just had to stop and laugh at how bad I flinched. Other times, solid as a rock. Lol!
 
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You just want to argue and disregard experience that others have learned. So fine, I am out.

Dave answered the question that you could not.
Improperly installed extractor..

(Just for the record I do not dispute the widely accepted practices of fire forming wildcat cases, that’s just not the topic of the thread.)

No need to toss any more negativity to the discussion.
 
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I was able to straighten the pin that I dropped and bent. It was bent about 3/4” from the tip, so I could straighten it out pretty easy. Once I straightened out the pin, I assembled the bolt without the spring and sure enough there was quite a bit of drag in the last 1/8” of travel. I coated the end of the pin with sharpie and cycled it and found two high spots. I polished the pin some then lapped the pin in the firing pin hole using JB bore paste. That did the trick. The firing pin now shakes freely too and fro, really smoothly. I’m pretty sure that will solve the problem.

Al, you were correct! That’s exactly what I did (put sharpie on the pin tip and found two high spots) and I think I found the culprit.

I’m not sure I’ll be able to get to the range during the week, but I may just prime some empty cases and see if I can shoot 50 or so without a misfire. If I am unable to do that, I have a bunch of test loads to shoot this weekend. Either way, I’ll follow up when I am able.

A quick early follow-up. The first signs are positive. I primed 20 cases and fired them without powder or projectiles with no issues. The primer strikes all looked consistent. It appears that freeing up the firing pin resolved my issue. The top left primer is one that did not fire from before, the top right is one that did fire from before and the two bottom primers are from the primed cases fired tonight without powder or projectiles.
 

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I use nothing but CCI primers, Mil Spec and BRs. Maybe fired 4 or 5 thousand with no issues.
Only non CCI primers I have used and fired were the couple of packs of Remington's from my Shooting buddy that died and I cleaned out his stash for his wife. They had to be at least 10 years old. Sitting on the shelf next to paper powder containers with the bottoms falling out of them. Loaded them up and fired them in my M1A with not one FTF!!

"Years" back, had issues with a few FTF rounds Finally tracked it down to too much head space. (brass too short and got pushed forward and got soft strike "FTF") Corrected that issue and have NEVER had another FTF!!
And funny that most FTF issues are tracked down to short brass, new loaded ammo or reloads. If no one believes it, that's on you but "I" don't have FTF.
In "this case", a bent firing pin caused the problem. :D Sometimes it takes a little digging to sort things out. Go for the simple stuff before making a federal case out of it. KISS!! :);)
 
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