Facts RE SIG P320 Issues?

[NorCalMikie]

SIG SAUER P320 BAN NOW IN EFFECT

The Gun Club Board of Directors has implemented an immediate, total ban on the SIG Sauer P320 platform across all Club property. This includes all variants such as the M17, M18, X5, AXG, and any aftermarket configurations (e.g. custom FCUs, third-party frames, etc.).

As of now, P320s are completely prohibited anywhere on range grounds, not just on the ranges, but also in parking areas, vehicles, bags, and all match or event spaces. This ban does not apply to any other SIG Sauer models.

The primary goal is safety first for our members, guests, competitors, and spectators. While we have no direct knowledge of the potential technical defect of this firearm system, the volume of ranges, organizations and military units declaring a problem has made it too visible to deny. We will re-evaluate this decision in the future if new credible information emerges.

Banning a particular firearm is the last thing we ever want to do, but the safety of our members and guests has to come first.

 

[JB10]

I was just sent this info this morning from my range also. Mine is member only 6 days a week. Wounder why.

 

[ELR LVR]

SIG SAUER P320 BAN NOW IN EFFECT

The Gun Club Board of Directors has implemented an immediate, total ban on the SIG Sauer P320 platform across all Club property. This includes all variants such as the M17, M18, X5, AXG, and any aftermarket configurations (e.g. custom FCUs, third-party frames, etc.).

As of now, P320s are completely prohibited anywhere on range grounds, not just on the ranges, but also in parking areas, vehicles, bags, and all match or event spaces. This ban does not apply to any other SIG Sauer models.

The primary goal is safety first for our members, guests, competitors, and spectators. While we have no direct knowledge of the potential technical defect of this firearm system, the volume of ranges, organizations and military units declaring a problem has made it too visible to deny. We will re-evaluate this decision in the future if new credible information emerges.

Banning a particular firearm is the last thing we ever want to do, but the safety of our members and guests has to come first.

Whats the issue with the P320?
I have a SigXten
not one issue with it once ever
is this with 9mm? or something other?
I know my P320 does not come with any sort of safety, but that was its appeal to me as a carry weapon
No safety to fumble fart around with or slip on or break etc when business means business.
I havent heard anything so if you could share what the experienced issues are that could be preventable with perhaps some foresight and some fixing
but since I have not had issue with my 10mm, I am certainly not suddenly going to be getting rid of it
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Also is it possible 10mm's do not experience whatever weakness others are eperiencing?

 

[dhagerty40]

I think this explains why:

More law enforcement agencies reconsider use of popular Sig Sauer P320 handgun • Stateline

As safety concerns over the Sig Sauer P320 handgun continue to mount, a growing number of police departments across the United States are rethinking their use of the popular semiautomatic firearm.

stateline.org

 

[30378]

Reliability issues and claims of accidental discharges. Lots of information if you GOOGL.

 

[GotRDid]

Email from Sig:​

​ P320 Safety Information Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information. SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts. The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world. FBI Testing and Report A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing. Department of Homeland Security An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America. U.S. Air Force M18 There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information. P320 Range and Training Bans Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth. The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here. As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses. We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team. ​ SIG SAUER, Inc. 72 Pease Blvd. Newington, NH 03801 No longer want to receive these emails? Unsubscribe. SIG SAUER 72 PEASE BLVD NEWINGTON, New Hampshire 03801 ​

 

[GotRDid]

Sig Sauer pistol still in wide use across military after airman's death

Officials from the three services said they have no plans to modify or pause use of the Sig Sauer pistol after the death of an airman.

trk.shoot.sigsauer.com

 

[mike mccormick]

I have seen so much hay being made over the 320 on YouTube and other platforms. Some of these demonstrate a repeatable ability for the gun to discharge without the trigger being pulled. That being said, I have tried every one of these manipulations on my own 320( rxp), and have not gotten it to fire once. I have carried this pistol for two years, beating around on tractors,etc. Not to say that there is no issue, but I believe there should be a test procedure to determine if an individual pistol is defective, and should be returned to Sig. I think it may be a quality control issue, not a design flaw. OR.....perhaps there are DIY modifications involved?

 

[rjtfroggy]

Our local P.D. cancelled an order about 6-7 months ago because of safety concerns with accidental discharges and some lawsuits that were pending over them.
I am pretty sure they are still looking for a replacement.
We are talking 350-400 guns good size order to lose.

 

[B y r o n]

Simple answer is to avoid possible lawsuits.

 

[drop_point]

The P320 is notorious for un-commanded discharges. This isn't just poor gun handling or broken guns, its working order guns maintained by armorers firing in holsters by bumps, jolts, and jarring. Recently killed an airman. IF you have one, it may be time to look at other options.

 

[Big_Daddy]

 

[muleystalker]

Whats the issue with the P320?
I have a SigXten
not one issue with it once ever
is this with 9mm? or something other?
I know my P320 does not come with any sort of safety, but that was its appeal to me as a carry weapon
No safety to fumble fart around with or slip on or break etc when business means business.
I havent heard anything so if you could share what the experienced issues are that could be preventable with perhaps some foresight and some fixing
but since I have not had issue with my 10mm, I am certainly not suddenly going to be getting rid of it
----------
Also is it possible 10mm's do not experience whatever weakness others are eperiencing?

Some Sig P320's come with a safety, I bought the M18 for my daughter and it has a safety. It may be because it Ca. compliant, I know there are other states that require a safety also. I believe all Military issued M17 and M18 have a safety, at least all the ones I have seen. They are on the side of the slide like a 1911, but there is no trigger lever safety or grip safety.


There have been unintended discharges by civilian, law enforcement and military. Even in holsters without hand on firearm, there are even body cam and other video footage of incidents. People have been injured and I believe it was a US airman that died from it. There have been court cases and Sig seems to be dismissing it. It's been ongoing for over several years. here is one article.

Air Force suspends use of M18 pistols after airman’s death

A leaked memo called for the M18 to be pulled from use “for all operational and training activities” immediately and replaced by the M-4 rifle.

www.defensenews.com

 

[muleystalker]

I have seen so much hay being made over the 320 on YouTube and other platforms. Some of these demonstrate a repeatable ability for the gun to discharge without the trigger being pulled. That being said, I have tried every one of these manipulations on my own 320( rxp), and have not gotten it to fire once. I have carried this pistol for two years, beating around on tractors,etc. Not to say that there is no issue, but I believe there should be a test procedure to determine if an individual pistol is defective, and should be returned to Sig. I think it may be a quality control issue, not a design flaw. OR.....perhaps there are DIY modifications involved?

That means Sig would have to admit there is a problem.......

I agree though, Sig should stand up and do the right thing, find the problem and fix it or offer a trade -in on credit on a different model.

I believe it has to do with the abundance of "MIM" parts they use in the trigger unit and the ignition/fire control system. The tolerances are all over the place.

 

[Tommie]

Anyone recall the Audi unintended acceleration debacle in the 1980’s? The filmed and documented “evidence” turned out to be a slimy hatchet job performed by none other than the 60 Minutes television show. It nearly put Audi into the dumpster.

Maybe the 320 is potentially defective. Dunno. But I sure as hell won’t be rushing to judgement. The internet is overflowing with hoaxes and general BS.

 

[Andy Work]

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/sig-sauer-p320m18-and-p365-fielded-by-the-michigan-state-police

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/unite...ds-sig-sauer-p320-contract-another-two-years-

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-marine-corps-navy-m18-sidearm/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&utm_campaign=250729_P320_Safety_Information&_kx=ggFE2lKytK0AOQI4E23kpU_ggGkvqGbWMjvYFLIwvqM.SKxiWA

 

[Just Say Moe]

SIG SAUER P320 BAN NOW IN EFFECT

The Gun Club Board of Directors has implemented an immediate, total ban on the SIG Sauer P320 platform across all Club property. This includes all variants such as the M17, M18, X5, AXG, and any aftermarket configurations (e.g. custom FCUs, third-party frames, etc.).

As of now, P320s are completely prohibited anywhere on range grounds, not just on the ranges, but also in parking areas, vehicles, bags, and all match or event spaces. This ban does not apply to any other SIG Sauer models.

The primary goal is safety first for our members, guests, competitors, and spectators. While we have no direct knowledge of the potential technical defect of this firearm system, the volume of ranges, organizations and military units declaring a problem has made it too visible to deny. We will re-evaluate this decision in the future if new credible information emerges.

Banning a particular firearm is the last thing we ever want to do, but the safety of our members and guests has to come first.

I guess they are going to search your car?

 

[kyotekiller25]

I have a nice M17 all done up and I've never had any issues, nor can I replicate, duplicate, or manipulate it to go off. I've tried every which way possible. But, I watched a very good YT video by some gunsmith who was able to get a couple of his to go off almost on command. The tolerances of this pistol is pretty crap to be honest. He had a $250 Taurus for comparison and there was no slop in the slide. My M17 had just as much as his did on the video. That's when I went and tried to duplicate it, but never could. But just knowing it could, kinda sucks. It's not my EDC pistol so I'm not gonna throw a huge fit about it. I really like the pistol, it fits great and shoots even better. So it'll just be a range toy and kept unloaded. The S&W 357 4" is always a better carry option anyway!

 

[Steve Donlon]

I have a 320 compact 45 and a 320 full size 45. I have been hearing these stories for a long time. Many have been shooter error. The trigger is not very heavy compared to a double action pull. The biggest draw backs to those types of pistols is, I can't tell by looking at it, what condition it is in. I would never carry a striker fired pistol with one round in the chamber. Great truck or bedside gun. I like my HK 45 compact to carry or a any double action or single action pistol.

 

[CJ6]

I'm a big fan of Sigs 220 series 220,226,228,229.