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F class caliber combinations

It’s more of a personal thing. I don’t keep good enough records or a very organized person. I feel my best 1000 yd match I ever shot was with 260ai. I could feel the gun was in tune. It was Tenn state match 2 years ago. I held my own with that bunch you shoot with. The gun just shot where I pointed it. I personally feel gun tune, gun handling and wind reading are more important than BC and speed. So I made an effort this year to focus on 284 and the basics. 284 is just the easy button. I am a firm believer in accuracy and consistency trumps all. If you have an accurate magnum you will do well.

Yeah, wind reading skills are what it’s all about. I’ve been wrestling nonstop to try to gain a little each season in that area and not regress. I love F-Class but about the only rifleman’s skill it doesn’t mute out with its unusual mechanics is wind reading, and even so, when setting out to focus on just it, I’m still hard pressed to perform well in that area and make any gains relative to my class.

Analytically, I know the .284 can finish at the top in capable hands. (There is always that last moment you must focus on the actual shot though where a change can still happen and higher BC than your neighbor can rescue a 9). But in that memorable hectic wind of Sunday, the top TR shooter’s score split the Open Division guys down the middle, beating some magnums, and a .284 shoots well inside the .308, of course. The conundrum I would face in Open monthly and annually if I were to select .284’s is that there are better wind callers than me, and those same match regulars are already driving their magnums, at all LR matches.
 
I have two matching rifles, only shoot .284 and have about 7 working barrels at any time between them. You develop barrels at your club matches, spin off the hammers for big matches and keep shooting the good but not amazing barrels at club matches or develop more new barrels. A lot of guys do this.

I used to have a mid range gun in a 6mm of some kind and then my long range in 284 but that's a lot of work managing two calibers when .284 is just fine for mid and long range. But that's me. Plenty of better and plenty of worse shooters who manage two or three calibers so they can pick one out like a golf club as needed. I just choose to play with only a 7 iron.
Do you segregate brass for each barrel?
 
Tried that. It works. But now I have dedicated rifles. The switch barrel works. But I find the two rifles
easier. And now I can take two rifles if need be as backup. Save up and get two rifles. Or just use a 284 for everything
 
Back in the summer, we had a V2 invitational F Class Open match at the local range I shoot at.
It had the top 64 shooters in the class there. They shot a pretty wide variety of calibers and they all shot well. Some very top notch shooters went out first round by what some may consider lesser capable calibers. I think in all honesty, at the end of the day it's more the shooter that pulls off the win than the caliber.
 
The cost of barrels, brass and projectiles is also a factor and the 6mm is the cheapest to run - I don't see the point in wearing out the primary comp gear on local club shoots.

I and several other north east England 'Effers' would have agreed with you until four, maybe five years ago. I used to shoot a long-throat 7mm-08 in my club shoots in 300-500 yard matches, 600 too depending on the weather forecast, although I might equally have taken a 284 to them given the nature of the range I mostly compete on and its frequently difficult winds. Likewise, 6BR, its variants, 6.5X47L were widely seen at those distances in this discipline. For 300, I usually took a marvellously good grouping 7-08 load, but with poorer external ballistics than my 500/600 version, the 150gn Lapua Scenar-L over Lovex S065 (Shooters World 'Long Rifle' in the US) in batched and prepped older Winchester brass in a mild-ish load/MV. Not any more, nor my fellow competitors with the sixes and other smaller cartridges, and even less so, the considerable number of 223s that would be seen. For 300, I'll still use the 7-08, but only with a much more ballistically capable loading.

The reasons? A general and considerable rise in shooting skills, also the quality (and cost) of the rifle specifications and build standards, likewise ammo components and the kit being used to load the ammunition. (AutoTricklers V-whatever, plus added gizmos, plus FX scales creating a combo that costs getting on for the pounds sterling equivalent of $1,000 make my head spin and certainly won't be purchased in this lifetime!!) When a pack of very good shooters turn up with very expensive rifles with top-line March scopes chambered for the WSMs and 7SAUM in 300 yard comps, even the 284 starts to feel under-gunned. Our F/Military division gets increasingly large entries in these matches and these 26-inch barrel custom tactical/PRS beasts with very hot small primer brass 6.5 Creedmoor loads pushing 147s to impressive velocities almost hold their own with the best of the F-Class rifles to 600 yards. In theory, a good 6BR, even more so Dasher will also hold its own at these distances, but on most days' conditions they won't when winning every last 'V' ('X' in US) becomes vital. This is a combination of often really hard winds, flags that all too often don't change aspect immediately to reflect wind changes, plus - very important - we shoot 'pairs', often 'trios' in the UK with shooters following partners in turn, so a new wind assessment is often needed for each and every shot. On 'bad days' we won't get any number of 'possibles' or even any at all even at 300 and V-counts only in the low teens; 600 sees few 'possibles' at any time, and lower V-counts, especially as we use a target with slightly smaller rings than the international ICFRA F-Class or equivalent US equivalent.

The logical answer to the tyro, or competitor with budget constraints is the 284 Win as an all-rounder. Precision is potentially superb, and the external ballistics are more than good enough until you get beyond 800 yards. Barrel life is reasonable to good especially if loads are kept down a tad and a cooler burning single-based powder is used (Viht N165 is very popular here in this role). In my view now, the sixes and similar are fine to get into the discipline and learn the ropes for a season or two, but having no chance of a place in the top six quickly palls for people who learn those 'ropes' quickly and have the ability to shoot top-three scores. (Other than on those rare days which produce exceptionally stable conditions of course.) After a (not very long) while it becomes irritating to be constantly reminded too as to how much you're learning about wind-reading as somehow compensating for always being a few points out of the game.

Obviously, local conditions apply such as prevailing weather conditions, likewise the number and skills of other competitors, but in the UK at any rate we're seeing standards in some clubs that match or better those of national league fixtures of only a few years ago. Our pairs shooting too, the need to plot / graph everything quickly and accurately, and the '45-second rule' create a very different environment from US 'string shooting'. (The 45 second rule is that the competitor must make the shot on his/her turn to shoot within 45 seconds of the target reappearing, or nowadays of an e-target being updated after your partner's shot is scored.)
 
The logical answer to the tyro, or competitor with budget constraints is the 284 Win as an all-rounder. Precision is potentially superb, and the external ballistics are more than good enough until you get beyond 800 yards. Barrel life is reasonable to good
^^^ sound advice..

There is no better all rounder for F Open IMO and the 284 can put you at the top in any condition.
 
I and several other north east England 'Effers' would have agreed with you until four, maybe five years ago. I used to shoot a long-throat 7mm-08 in my club shoots in 300-500 yard matches, 600 too depending on the weather forecast, although I might equally have taken a 284 to them given the nature of the range I mostly compete on and its frequently difficult winds. Likewise, 6BR, its variants, 6.5X47L were widely seen at those distances in this discipline. For 300, I usually took a marvellously good grouping 7-08 load, but with poorer external ballistics than my 500/600 version, the 150gn Lapua Scenar-L over Lovex S065 (Shooters World 'Long Rifle' in the US) in batched and prepped older Winchester brass in a mild-ish load/MV. Not any more, nor my fellow competitors with the sixes and other smaller cartridges, and even less so, the considerable number of 223s that would be seen. For 300, I'll still use the 7-08, but only with a much more ballistically capable loading.

The reasons? A general and considerable rise in shooting skills, also the quality (and cost) of the rifle specifications and build standards, likewise ammo components and the kit being used to load the ammunition. (AutoTricklers V-whatever, plus added gizmos, plus FX scales creating a combo that costs getting on for the pounds sterling equivalent of $1,000 make my head spin and certainly won't be purchased in this lifetime!!) When a pack of very good shooters turn up with very expensive rifles with top-line March scopes chambered for the WSMs and 7SAUM in 300 yard comps, even the 284 starts to feel under-gunned. Our F/Military division gets increasingly large entries in these matches and these 26-inch barrel custom tactical/PRS beasts with very hot small primer brass 6.5 Creedmoor loads pushing 147s to impressive velocities almost hold their own with the best of the F-Class rifles to 600 yards. In theory, a good 6BR, even more so Dasher will also hold its own at these distances, but on most days' conditions they won't when winning every last 'V' ('X' in US) becomes vital. This is a combination of often really hard winds, flags that all too often don't change aspect immediately to reflect wind changes, plus - very important - we shoot 'pairs', often 'trios' in the UK with shooters following partners in turn, so a new wind assessment is often needed for each and every shot. On 'bad days' we won't get any number of 'possibles' or even any at all even at 300 and V-counts only in the low teens; 600 sees few 'possibles' at any time, and lower V-counts, especially as we use a target with slightly smaller rings than the international ICFRA F-Class or equivalent US equivalent.

The logical answer to the tyro, or competitor with budget constraints is the 284 Win as an all-rounder. Precision is potentially superb, and the external ballistics are more than good enough until you get beyond 800 yards. Barrel life is reasonable to good especially if loads are kept down a tad and a cooler burning single-based powder is used (Viht N165 is very popular here in this role). In my view now, the sixes and similar are fine to get into the discipline and learn the ropes for a season or two, but having no chance of a place in the top six quickly palls for people who learn those 'ropes' quickly and have the ability to shoot top-three scores. (Other than on those rare days which produce exceptionally stable conditions of course.) After a (not very long) while it becomes irritating to be constantly reminded too as to how much you're learning about wind-reading as somehow compensating for always being a few points out of the game.

Obviously, local conditions apply such as prevailing weather conditions, likewise the number and skills of other competitors, but in the UK at any rate we're seeing standards in some clubs that match or better those of national league fixtures of only a few years ago. Our pairs shooting too, the need to plot / graph everything quickly and accurately, and the '45-second rule' create a very different environment from US 'string shooting'. (The 45 second rule is that the competitor must make the shot on his/her turn to shoot within 45 seconds of the target reappearing, or nowadays of an e-target being updated after your partner's shot is scored.)

Good advice for sure - I am fortunate enough to be able to afford multiple rifles/calibres, but the ongoing cost and supply of Berger bullets in Australia (and presumably most places around the world right now) is a factor as to how much one can shoot. Again, my local range is generally pretty forgiving for all but a few weekends each year and a 6mm will suffice if you can read the conditions, and I can't afford to run out of bullets on my main comp rifles for club shoots. For everything else, the 284 is hard to go past!
 

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