F class and suppressors

[Never Forget]

It is my understanding the muzzle breaks can not be used in F class shooting but what about using a suppressor?

 

[Immike]

It is my understanding the muzzle breaks can not be used in F class shooting but what about using a suppressor?

It falls under the same rule. Sorry

 

[ShootDots]

It falls under the same rule. Sorry

Hey Mike! You are correct that a suppressor is against the rules>>>>BUT that is one rule I wish they would change. You would think that since we "complain" about people talking on the line, making a rifle quieter would be a welcomed addition!

 

[Immike]

OP, This doesn't mean that some non-NRA club matches don't allow this. That's a NRA rule for anything approved by them. FPR (field precision rifle) is growing in some areas that welcome such equipment. Many local clubs run pretty loose rules for participation reasons.

 

[XTR]

There are a number of states where suppressors are illegal to own or use. For the purposes of national records and classification, how do you compare matches shot with suppressors vs those that are not. Do cans reduce felt recoil? Is there an advantage? Do we create a whole new set for with vs without? Do we really want to add another $1200 item (+$200 stamp) to the list of things we need to go out and compete?

I'm all in favor of suppressors, There is no legitimate reason that they are on the NFA list, but for NRA competition they cannot and will not go there; not until they are off the NFA list and/or allowed in all 50 states. Don't waste the effort of getting worked up over it, and trust me, I've watched/read people get whipped into a froth over this and some other tactical type topics, like feeding from a mag. "If I can't do it/use it I'm not going to shoot the matches". That's just a convenient excuse to not get out and shoot.

Also, remember the weight limit in F-TR, not many are going to be willing to sacrifice the barrel weight/length to put on a can.

 

[1shot]

As I said in another thread, in European countries, it is considered rude to NOT use them. This also pertains to hunting, as I have been told by some shooters that were hunting in one of these countries. Also the purchase of a suppressor is no more difficult than buying any other accessory for your rifle.
Lloyd

 

[XTR]

As I said in another thread, in European countries, it is considered rude to NOT use them. This also pertains to hunting, as I have been told by some shooters that were hunting in one of these countries. Also the purchase of a suppressor is no more difficult than buying any other accessory for your rifle.
Lloyd

1. This isn't Europe
2. Not in MA, VT, NY, RI, DE, IL, IA, MN, or CA. Ownership of suppressors by civilians is illegal in those states. (that list is from 2013) http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...-states-now-allow-sound-suppressor-ownership/ and you are somewhat oversimplifying the process, I have never been fingerprinted or established a trust to buy a new trigger or barrel.

We're not talking about hunting, we are talking competition use. I'd like to put them on all my hunting rifles.

 

[wboggs]

1. This isn't Europe
2. Not in MA, VT, NY, RI, DE, IL, IA, MN, or CA. Ownership of suppressors by civilians is illegal in those states. (that list is from 2013) http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...-states-now-allow-sound-suppressor-ownership/ and you are somewhat oversimplifying the process, I have never been fingerprinted or established a trust to buy a new trigger or barrel.

We're not talking about hunting, we are talking competition use. I'd like to put them on all my hunting rifles.

I would like to see the accuracy of a 20 shot group shot quickly is on a suppressor rifle. Have experimented with a .338 Lapua and the groups went downhill after a few rapid shots

 

[1shot]

1. This isn't Europe
2. Not in MA, VT, NY, RI, DE, IL, IA, MN, or CA. Ownership of suppressors by civilians is illegal in those states. (that list is from 2013) http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...-states-now-allow-sound-suppressor-ownership/ and you are somewhat oversimplifying the process, I have never been fingerprinted or established a trust to buy a new trigger or barrel.

We're not talking about hunting, we are talking competition use. I'd like to put them on all my hunting rifles.

XTR,
You seem to have gotten things backwards, I will try to clarify my remarks.
1. I never said that the USA was Europe, but merely make a statement.
2. In Europe they don't regulate suppressors any more than they do optics, again having nothing to do with the USA.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding,
Lloyd

 

[XTR]

"Also the purchase of a suppressor is no more difficult than buying any other accessory for your rifle."

I misunderstood that part. Wish it was like that here.

 

[Schandler]

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201211/

 

[Grimstod]

In the UK supressors are welcomed in Fclass. But not sure about brakes.

 

[1shot]

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201211/

Thank you for a very informative read.
Lloyd

 

[missed]

Hopefully the hearing protection act will pass and the NRA will revise to allow them. The PRS matches I go to allow them and it's awesome. Just teaching my daughter to shoot with one on her 22 is great. Sub sonic ammo and no ear plugs, you can hear the firing pin hit.

 

[mao0720]

I have a suppressor and I love using it. On My AR's in 223 and 308 and on my 6.5x47L bolt gun, it makes them all so much more enjoyable to shoot. I also love shooting FTR. I don't think Suppressors have a good place in NRA high power, at least not right now. I can tell you even with a very good suppressor cover, I get mirage off of the suppressor, that is too thick to see through, after about 15 rounds of 6.5x47. The weight is something to be considered too. I would not want to take a 1-2lb of barrel weight or other weight off of my FTR rifle to put a suppressor on. and then there is the advantage part. Suppressors DO reduce recoil... A lot. So in effect the are a brake without the noise. Something that provides an unfair advantage, especially when considering that suppressors are not 50 state legal. Suppressors in NRA highpower sounds good when first mentioned, but doesn't work out so well when all of the details are considered.

 

[Taildrag15X]

1. This isn't Europe
2. Not in MA, VT, NY, RI, DE, IL, IA, MN, or CA. Ownership of suppressors by civilians is illegal in those states. (that list is from 2013) http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...-states-now-allow-sound-suppressor-ownership/ and you are somewhat oversimplifying the process, I have never been fingerprinted or established a trust to buy a new trigger or barrel.

We're not talking about hunting, we are talking competition use. I'd like to put them on all my hunting rifles.

XTR they are now legal in Vermont since July 2, 2015....it was a happy day in the most gun friendly State!!

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...legalization-bill-signed-into-law-by-governor

 

[XTR]

I know there are a number of states making progress to allow hunting and others to allow them period, there is a growing awareness that they aren't Hollywood quiet and they are really a safety and noise pollution item. Then there are those who will never budge.

 

[1shot]

Also legal in Ohio!!

 

[ED3]

Legal in MN as of 01 AUG 2015

 

[Ray Gross]

...For the purposes of national records and classification, how do you compare matches shot with suppressors vs those that are not. Do cans reduce felt recoil? Is there an advantage? Do we create a whole new set for with vs without? Do we really want to add another $1200 item (+$200 stamp) to the list of things we need to go out and compete?
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Also, remember the weight limit in F-TR, not many are going to be willing to sacrifice the barrel weight/length to put on a can.

Wade, IMO your last point negates your first points. It is your weight limit, use it to whatever you think is to your best advantage.

...especially when considering that suppressors are not 50 state legal...

That is the exact argument that is been used by the few people in the NRA rule making apparatus who are blocking legalization. I find that an odd position, especially considering that the NRA took an entirely different view when it comes to Service Rifle rules vs states that outlawed bayonet lugs, flash hiders and pistol grips, etc.

I would like to see the accuracy of a 20 shot group shot quickly is on a suppressor rifle. Have experimented with a .338 Lapua and the groups went downhill after a few rapid shots

This, I think, is one of the limiting factors to using cans in 20 shot string matches. But, if someone chooses to sacrifice visual clarity for the sake of not being blasted by damaging noise, is it not just a prioritization choice?

The fact is, NRA competition needs to modernize, and quickly. Allowing cans in competition would be a huge step in the right direction. Even if the top shooters are smart enough not to radically turn down the barrel, at one of the most crucial points, so it can be threaded for a suppressor, why should they be banned for someone who just likes to screw that can on and go shoot?

Every time I go to the range with a suppressed firearm, I leave with a big smile, both on my face and down inside. That seems to be a fairly universal phenomenon. I cannot help but think that might bring more people to a match.