Etiquette

[gaboon]

What would proper etiquette at a match to call for a mark on the target? At a match today a shooter was calling down to the pits right after a shot was made. Not a couple times but every shot. There was no slow pit service by anyone in the pits.

 

[ryanjay11]

If the shooter had time to call for a mark, the puller wasn't working fast enough. The target should pulled within a second or two of the shot. Was this not the case?

 

[gaboon]

I watched it happened bullet hit and call came across. One time the target was already in the pits for from the last shot and a call came across the radio.

 

[lawman29]

The blanket statement of 1-2 seconds is nonsense. Not all pits are created equal (the target holders and the berm behind for seeing impacts...)...the accuracy of the shooter also plays a huge part...the experience of the individual pulling (several matches this summer there were guys who were new)...some guys have physical challenges...target repair when a spotter goes splat...

If a shooter thinks he needs faster pit service he can ask the range officer to call down to the pits...the pit boss can then see if things are amiss...my experience has been that all competitors understand the above and 99% don't bitch...

 

[ryanjay11]

I've never heard of anyone calling after every shot. Sometimes, guys miss one and they call to let them know. It sounds like the Range Officer missed a good opportunity to correct bad behavior.

As far as not being able to pull it in 1-2 seconds, I disagree. Even ranges like Camp Perry that don't have a visible impact berm manage to have excellent service. Physical limitations are one thing, but sometimes the problem is guys that think they are just there to shoot. Scoring and pulling the targets are jobs that need to be done properly and quickly.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I plan on shooting Camp Blanding. I'm no slouch in the pits, but perhaps this guy can give us a seminar on ultra quick pit service. All pits are not created equal. Some frames
come down with such ease you almost drive them thru the ground. Others are balanced wrong and can take 1-2 extra seconds to get out of the air.

 

[dixieppc]

Well let's see... I'm a FOX News watching Conservative, Pro Constitutionalist, Pro 2nd Amendment Advocate that "Clings to my Bible and Guns". That makes me an Enemy of the State, in the State's perverted mind. So, since it appears I already have a bull's eye on my back, please don't be offended if I am a little reluctant to provide any personal information on any website.

 

[watercam]

dixieppc:

I think you responded to the wrong thread...

 

[dixieppc]

dixieppc:

I think you responded to the wrong thread...

It sure appears that I did but I can't figure out how. I was replying to a message in that thread just like I'm replying to your message in this thread. How in the world it ended up in the wrong place I have no idea. Communist plot, maybe?

 

[BenchShooter]

dixieppc:

I think you responded to the wrong thread...

It sure appears that I did but I can't figure out how. I was replying to a message in that thread just like I'm replying to your message in this thread. How in the world it ended up in the wrong place I have no idea. Communist plot, maybe?

This has happened to me also but not on this site. I think its a software glitch.

 

[TonyR]

Eight seconds is excellent pit service in my experience. Also, in long range, it takes 1.5 seconds for the bullet to reach the target so 2 seconds is not going to happen. When I pull, I've seen two situations that slow me down. One is shots all over the target which are hard to find even when you have a berm where you can see the splash. The other is someone who is always in the X ring and the shots hide behind the spotter. Camp Perry and other ranges without a berm are a whole different problem but at Perry you're not usually down there by yourself which helps. Butner has motorized target carriers that move at their own speed which does slow things down. Scorers missing shots is a much bigger annoyance for me than bad target service.

 

[Raythemanroe]

It was damp out and my spotter ripped apart and I had to find a new one, This happened at the 14 seconds left mark on the sighters before the score target went up and I'm sure the fella was wondering who the Jack wagon was in the pits.. Then I had a target that kept settling while the guy was making shots which $crewed his vertical adjusting I'm sure. Took a little time to add a weight to get the target to behave before he started his score target..Stuff happens and I bet two folks think the rookie is special in the pits..

1-2 seconds at long range, you would have to be pulling the target down while the bullet was in flight or before they fired it..


Ray

 

[ryanjay11]

1-2 seconds after the bullet passes through the target is what I am talking about, not the time from when it is fired. Let's use a little common sense.

If you aren't able to begin pulling the target down within a couple of seconds of it hitting the target, you should probably expect to hear for a call over the radio to confirm you actually saw the hit.

Total time from the target being pulled down and back up should be less than 10 seconds.

 

[hmcsr]

Gentlemen,

While most, if not all of us as shooters/target pullers strive to give the best service possible under varying conditions we also need to remember the following excerpt from the High Power rule book.

10.14 Slow Target Operation—If a competitor feels that the operation of
his target is so slow as to interfere with his ability to complete his score within the specified time, it is the duty of the competitor to call the situation to the attention of the Range Officer. The Range Officer will personally check the operation of the target and if the complaint is justified, will allow the competitor such additional time as is indicated by the facts. (Normal time required from the firing of a shot until the target is again ready averages 15 to 18 seconds.)

color highlight is mine.

Bill 8)

 

[Dgd6mm]

Thank you Bill. 15 - 18 seconds, I may be able to do that with my feet.. ;D

 

[Down South]

1-2 seconds after the bullet passes through the target is what I am talking about, not the time from when it is fired. Let's use a little common sense.

If you aren't able to begin pulling the target down within a couple of seconds of it hitting the target, you should probably expect to hear for a call over the radio to confirm you actually saw the hit.

Total time from the target being pulled down and back up should be less than 10 seconds.

I agree.

 

[Raythemanroe]

So pit service should be ten seconds, I guess that would be the common sense suggestion for good pit service?



Ray

 

[Jay Christopherson]

I appreciate fast pit service (10 - 12 seconds max), but I try to temper my expectations depending on the situation. Sometimes, depending on different factors, all you can do is roll with it.

With regards to the OP's scenario - calling down after every shot is ridiculous and the match director should be stepping in to either speed up the pit service or to tune up the shooter.

 

[gaboon]

After talking to match director his was upset that he could use the 1in spotting disc. He was told it would be unfair advantage to him this being a registered match.

 

[chkunz]

Rule 10.14 sets the acceptable standard for the time for target operation, 15 to 18 seconds. If your shooting 10 and Xs and getting 18 second pit service you can ask politely for faster service ("speed up the service please on target 6") and normally that will get results. if not, pay back is hell and you get your turn in the pits. Rule 14.17 sets the range standard for spotter sizes. Note the "or smaller" in the rule. Take care, Clyde.