entering up in rifle class?
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Yes, a F-TR rifle can shoot in open.
and service rifle can shoot in any and iron sight service rifle can shoot palma
DirtySteve
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You can enter a higher class but can not enter a lower class. Lucky for me I have no class.
Get a NRA rule book and highlight rules you need for your matches. I kept one in the car just in case we got stumped! They will send you one if you request it.
The question your asking is a rare occurrence and only happens when over weight or other class criteria isn't right.
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I plan to have my laptop with all the relevant rules pdf's ready.
Probably should get hardcopy backup though.
Albany Mountain
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I do not believe hard copies are available. Save all pdf's (including just yearly changes) published in the last 5 years as I know of no current copy that is 100% correct.
Medic505 is correct.
19.8 Competing in a Higher Class—Any individual or team may elect,
before fi ring, to compete in a higher classifi cation (except High Master) than
the one in which classifi ed. Such individual or team must fi re in the higher
class throughout the tournament.
Medic505 is correct.
19.8 Competing in a Higher Class—Any individual or team may elect,
before fi ring, to compete in a higher classifi cation (except High Master) than
the one in which classifi ed. Such individual or team must fi re in the higher
class throughout the tournament.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
You are not shooting "up" in class. The rules actually let you shoot "down" as it were.
If your rifle meets the definition of more than one class as defined in the NRA rule book and in the match program then you can choose.
I will say that the people who write the NRA rules are not always as clear, and some of what they write makes little sense at all as presented. That said.
What the shooter brings to the line is not defined by the particular ruleset(s) with which it may comply.
Take for example an AR15 chambered in 223. That is what you hold, after that it may or may not comply with the rules to be a service rifle under 3.1.
If it meets the rules under rule 3.1, then by design it meets the rules under 3.3 Match Rifle (and they say so), but a 223 can still be a 3.3 Match Rifle and not qualify as a 3.1.; e.g., it may have a longer barrel or a different pistol grip or a different stock. Still meets the definition of a 3.3 but fails to be a 3.1.
A rule 3.3.1 Palma Rifle is simply a 223 or 308 with metalic sights, so the rifle that qualifies as a 3.1 Service Rifle also qualifies as a 3.3.1 Palma rifle provided it has metallic sights.
Section 22 3.4(a) and (b) F-TR vs F-Open goes the same way. F Open is anything .35 caliber and smaller, F-TR is limited to 223/308. F-TR requires a Bipod and/or sling, F Open permits a rest (doens't require it) So an F-TR Rifle could be shot in open.
Bottom line is that any rifle can be used to compete in any class where the rifle meets the rules for the class.
If your rifle meets the definition of more than one class as defined in the NRA rule book and in the match program then you can choose.
I will say that the people who write the NRA rules are not always as clear, and some of what they write makes little sense at all as presented. That said.
What the shooter brings to the line is not defined by the particular ruleset(s) with which it may comply.
Take for example an AR15 chambered in 223. That is what you hold, after that it may or may not comply with the rules to be a service rifle under 3.1.
If it meets the rules under rule 3.1, then by design it meets the rules under 3.3 Match Rifle (and they say so), but a 223 can still be a 3.3 Match Rifle and not qualify as a 3.1.; e.g., it may have a longer barrel or a different pistol grip or a different stock. Still meets the definition of a 3.3 but fails to be a 3.1.
A rule 3.3.1 Palma Rifle is simply a 223 or 308 with metalic sights, so the rifle that qualifies as a 3.1 Service Rifle also qualifies as a 3.3.1 Palma rifle provided it has metallic sights.
Section 22 3.4(a) and (b) F-TR vs F-Open goes the same way. F Open is anything .35 caliber and smaller, F-TR is limited to 223/308. F-TR requires a Bipod and/or sling, F Open permits a rest (doens't require it) So an F-TR Rifle could be shot in open.
Bottom line is that any rifle can be used to compete in any class where the rifle meets the rules for the class.
What we're doing is a mini-palma(100yd 22lr only) with a 'palma' CoF but not mandating or emphasizing palma rifles.
We want to have and encourage all the classes organized like high-power mid-range.
The two F's are defined in small-bore already.
Palma and any should map clearly.
Service rifle is experimental. What we have now is loose; semi, 4.5x scope or iron and no target stocks or features.
We want to have and encourage all the classes organized like high-power mid-range.
The two F's are defined in small-bore already.
Palma and any should map clearly.
Service rifle is experimental. What we have now is loose; semi, 4.5x scope or iron and no target stocks or features.
Well, if it’s a .22lr only match, there is really no reason to worry about any of the rifle categories used for the various NRA Highpower disciplines. A Palma rifle is limited to .308 or .223, and Service rifle is limited to .233, .308, and .30-06, depending on platform, so both of those categories are out . Just divide shooters up as either sling or f-class.
Well palma = irons only and any = any power scope so I think some shooters would prefer that distinction.
'service' protects 10/22s and 22 ARs from smallbore prone rifles.
f-class, yeah maybe, might as well teach new f-classers the difference
Probably we get few enough entries that it comes down to sling and f most months though.
memilanuk
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It's not very often that you see competitors 'enter up' at a match. It's far more common to see the *match director* 'roll up' categories (or classes) due to lack of numbers. Not at all uncommon for there to be one or two 'Service Rifle' shooters at a mid-range Prone match... not enough for actual awards, so they get rolled in with the other categories. And I've attended many, many matches where there were not enough F/TR shooters to warrant a separate category - we basically got to 'fund' the F-Open match winner 
Well, sort of. A Palma rifle by definition has to have iron sights, but just because a rifle has iron sights does not make it a Palma rifle. Any .22lr rifle by definition is not a Palma rifle. Any .22lr rifle by definition can also not be a Service rifle. By NRA rule, an “Any” rifle can use irons or optics, depending on what the match specifies. The rifle categories for HP aren’t going to fit what you are doing.
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It's not very often that you see competitors 'enter up' at a match. It's far more common to see the *match director* 'roll up' categories (or classes) due to lack of numbers. Not at all uncommon for there to be one or two 'Service Rifle' shooters at a mid-range Prone match... not enough for actual awards, so they get rolled in with the other categories. And I've attended many, many matches where there were not enough F/TR shooters to warrant a separate category - we basically got to 'fund' the F-Open match winner
I'm more concerned with 'rolling down', 1 guy with a 'real' smallbore match rifle beating up on 8 with sporter type rifles.
That seems all semantic.
Yes, the categories will really be psuedo-service, psuedo-palma and psuedo-any but why not?
Semiauto, bolt iron and bolt any sight would be the same thing with different names.
Of course if some highpower shooters are offended by our appropriation of their culture that would be the opposite of what we want. Our core group is highpower shooters.
I don’t know if anyone is offended, it just doesn’t make any sense. The semi/bolt names you suggest above seem like they’d be a lot easier for people to understand for a match like this.
Thanks for the feedback, help me understand the objections better please.
We're calling this a mini-palma following others who have done similar things.
That's one reason to have a 'palma' class
I'm wildly guessing but I think there may be some club politics reasons for making this more like a highpower match and not a smallbore match.
NRA hp rules
3.2 Any Rifle—
A rifle with no restrictions on sights or accessories including Schuetzen type butt-plates and palm rests except that it must be safe to competitors and range personnel. Ammunition will be restricted to no larger than .35 caliber.
3.3.1 U.S. Palma Rifle—
(a) A rifle with metallic sights chambered for the unmodified .308/7.62
or .223/5.56 NATO cartridge case.
(b) Any service rifle with metallic sites chambered for the unmodified
.308/7.62 NATO or .223/5.56 NATO cartridge case.
our flier
Sling. blah, blah, blah
- semiauto/service <this one IS confusing but popular with the people it's been run by>
- palma Any 22lr rifle with metallic sights
- any Any 22lr rifle with any power telescopic sight
The conversion from center-fire cartridges to 22lr is the obvious essence of the whole match.
Other than that what is confusing or not making sense?
We're calling this a mini-palma following others who have done similar things.
That's one reason to have a 'palma' class
I'm wildly guessing but I think there may be some club politics reasons for making this more like a highpower match and not a smallbore match.
NRA hp rules
3.2 Any Rifle—
A rifle with no restrictions on sights or accessories including Schuetzen type butt-plates and palm rests except that it must be safe to competitors and range personnel. Ammunition will be restricted to no larger than .35 caliber.
3.3.1 U.S. Palma Rifle—
(a) A rifle with metallic sights chambered for the unmodified .308/7.62
or .223/5.56 NATO cartridge case.
(b) Any service rifle with metallic sites chambered for the unmodified
.308/7.62 NATO or .223/5.56 NATO cartridge case.
our flier
Sling. blah, blah, blah
- semiauto/service <this one IS confusing but popular with the people it's been run by>
- palma Any 22lr rifle with metallic sights
- any Any 22lr rifle with any power telescopic sight
The conversion from center-fire cartridges to 22lr is the obvious essence of the whole match.
Other than that what is confusing or not making sense?
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