Electronic Target Test Results and Information

[Mozella]

Erik, Yes he is joking. He photoshopped the large velocity changes and yet all shots hit center.

Actually, I used the SMT simulator to put all 20 rounds in the X ring. The velocity is data generated by the SMT simulator and I have no idea where the numbers come from, especially since they have such a large ES.

Bottom line: Yes........... it's a joke in response to the claim of being able to fake electronic data. I would imagine a clean string with 20 X's would have been a hint. I doubt if very many folks folks on this forum enjoy that level of F-Class performance at 600 yards and would spot the joke immediately.................... apparently I was wrong.

 

[Ringostar]

Actually, I used the SMT simulator to put all 20 rounds in the X ring. The velocity is data generated by the SMT simulator and I have no idea where the numbers come from, especially since they have such a large ES.

Bottom line: Yes........... it's a joke in response to the claim of being able to fake electronic data. I would imagine a clean string with 20 X's would have been a hint. I doubt if very many folks folks on this forum enjoy that level of F-Class performance at 600 yards and would spot the joke immediately.................... apparently I was wrong.

Erik is a top sling shooter. I'm not sure how much time he has had on the SMT though. Midwest Palma at Lodi this year might be his only time. His question was also early this morning, maybe not fully awake. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[Medic505]

I'll take the pit service.

And I'll gladly hop on the bus to the pits and give the best target service I can. Electronic targets have their place, I just don't believe a National Championship is that place.

 

[Erud]

Actually, I used the SMT simulator to put all 20 rounds in the X ring. The velocity is data generated by the SMT simulator and I have no idea where the numbers come from, especially since they have such a large ES.

Bottom line: Yes........... it's a joke in response to the claim of being able to fake electronic data. I would imagine a clean string with 20 X's would have been a hint. I doubt if very many folks folks on this forum enjoy that level of F-Class performance at 600 yards and would spot the joke immediately.................... apparently I was wrong.

Well, that’s why I asked. I don’t shoot f-class and I don’t have a ton of experience on the SMT’s, last year’s MWP and a couple practice sessions. And like I said, I’m pretty stupid.

 

[Irishvelo]

Eric, BTW I shot a 207-20X on our SMT target becasue I use a Monard jacket (More attempt at humor)

Well there never as has been an argument that a closed system isn't more accurate, it will be for the reasons stated nobody is arguing that. Closed systems are big, bulky and expensive and in many circumstance won't work for those respective clubs on people. In our case and in many others the SMT is the better solution. The disagreement has been since the original test done by the HEXTA marketing director (Bruce Daniels) without any SMT personnel present that the test was biased and that the setup was bad. People who have the SMT targets who use them personally or at ranges have never had such error issues as reported in the first test done by Bruce. Now I did a quick glance through the test and from how they described it does seem to be better. BUT given the history of the first test where Bruce conducted the test and then claimed not to be associated with the company one has to wonder about those people who are conducting this test. I question the last target where it has less error that there is a shot that is off by 3' to skew the data. To me, someone who has a good bit of skepticism from the original test, I question how something like this just happened to appear on the best data set, where aside from this shot the numbers are better.

This is a business and KTS, HEXTA and SMT are competing, again I just find it ironic a couple months after some more ranges when with SMT than another test that comes to light with someone associated with Reade/Bridgeville ranges pushes a certain view points and thus pushing either actively or passively one product over another. This is why the tests are always HEXTA vs. SMT, why never another target system? I'm guessing because the one brand is financially doing better given the ranges that are deciding to go with it and the other is just trying to stay visible. The SIUS targets that are signed off on by the ISSF have 2mm eror in the center and are 7mm as you go farther out (as mentioned on accurate shooter thread on this topic) and is a closed system. Why not an extensive test of HEXTA vs. SIUS or vs. KTS? Compare apples to apple, i.e closed vs. closed.

Now from the tests yes they are interesting to look at. As a MD for a club who are now up to 12 SMT targets am I concerned, no. Wasn't an issue for the US Marine Corps either when they decided from all the electronic targets to select SMT and put 25 of those targets in at Quanitco this past month or so. Bruce was there personally doing the Hexta setup and demo for the Marine Corps, btw. Looking forward to our upgraded 8 mic systems as we get them, but all in all we are happy with SMT targets.

While it is true the USMC ordered 25, I hear they hate them.......

I agree, I wish someone, independent, would take the 4 or 5 that are in the game and do a true test and comparison of each. I, also, wish someone would put together some sort of Specification for what the competition world wants as apposed to taking what the manufacturers give us.

 

[Irishvelo]

While it is true the USMC ordered 25, I hear they hate them.......

I agree, I wish someone, independent, would take the 4 or 5 that are in the game and do a true test and comparison of each. I, also, wish someone would put together some sort of Specification for what the competition world wants as apposed to taking what the manufacturers give us.

And someone like the NRA should be doing the independent test to determine what the specs/standards should be.

Or follow what the ISSF has since it already has standards. That would weed out the less desirable systems.

 

[Mudeat]

Reading the test reports by the Australians, with regard to the portable/temporary 4 mic, single chronograph SMT targets it is clear that the NRA rule of error not exceeding 1/4” is exceeded across the board. So you wouldn’t think that a match involving these things would be used for any records. A few ranges are using the 4 chronograph, 8 mic system. We have yet to see test reports on that.