ejection question

[holstil]

So as to not hijack another thread, I'll ask here.

Speaking of ejectors in regard to the new PT&G Savage bolt heads or any other bolt for that matter. Why would you not want an ejector. Is there a problem with Savage ejection?

What is/are the advantage/s of cases not being ejected? Seems like that would be a pain in the butt having to pick it out before loading. I am not familiar with other disciplines, but I can't think of any reason to want the shell to stay in action. Not trying to be a smart a$$ just trying to learn. Maybe I need to remove all my ejectors. :-\

I have, on different occasions, shot the same gun with and without plungers with no ill affects one way or the other in my 700's and custom's.

I read sometime ago that plungers can tip the case while in the chamber. My brass is sized to be snug against the shoulder and bolt face so nothing is getting tipped or moved. What am I missing? Safety?

Thanks, Jim

 

[holstil]

Can't the Savage ejectors/plungers be tamed down like the 700's or others by cliping a coil or two?

 

[LHSmith]

#1-Some feel the ejector spring can push the cartridge causing it to cant, therefore starting the bullet askew in the throat.....#2- some value their brass with thin neck walls (they don't want them dented or worry where they went flying) more than the ability to run them quickly downrange.#3-sooner or later the springs get weak (or break at the worst time), some just want consistency across the board and don't trust ejector function will give them that.

 

[fdshuster]

Some of us want control of our Lapua brass, and don't want it ejecting onto the concrete pad, into the dirt, mud, grass, etc. Takes a second to pick it out of the receiver, less time than it takes to pick it up off the ground.

 

[dtucker]

^^^^^^^exactly, and depending on where you are shooting you may not find some of that precious.........precious ring..... i mean brass that you worked so hard to prep and pay for. ;D

 

[treeman]

if you are shooting slow fire what do you need an ejector for?

 

[CaptainMal]

Good answers all.

Ejection is a pain for target rifles. My one Savage action is dual-port. I simple set the cartridge in, close the bolt, open and push out the fired case with my finger. No fooling around with that darn ejection issue and the case is not pushed to the side while loading.

Now for a hunting rifle, that is not the best way to do it because of the possible need for a repeat shot quickly.

 

[timeout]

Good answers all.



Now for a hunting rifle, that is not the best way to do it because of the possible need for a repeat shot quickly.

After the first shot, all the rest are just noise! Make the first shot count, save the brass.

 

[holstil]

Fair enough.

Jim

 

[K22]

Good answers all.



Now for a hunting rifle, that is not the best way to do it because of the possible need for a repeat shot quickly.

After the first shot, all the rest are just noise! Make the first shot count, save the brass.

Agree - Jim Shocky doesn't seem to need a second shot - For varmint hunting the ejector is a pain - tosses brass in the high weeds or worse - into the posion ivy - if I need a second shot - the time it take to remove the spent case from the chamber gives me time to reset my focus for a follow up shot. However for big game hunting I do like to have a quick follow up shot if needed but essentially I agree - most of the time it's just noise.

 

[260Ravage]

It is strange that no one wishes to admit that Savage actions are piss poor at ejecting cases from the git-go. I own two of them and neither one will eject the spent case---unless I really get after the bolt and pull it back quickly with force. I have seen other Savage rifles at the bench that act the same way. Fess-up fellas....Savage actions aren't supposed to eject the spent case.....if one does eject flawlessly; it's broken! An exception I have found is longer cases such as 308s,,06s an such.
Now let's let the chips fall.

 

[Nomad47]

That's odd. I've had to cut coils on my ejector springs on both of my Savages in order to keep the cases from flying.

 

[lpreddick]

i have a winchester chambered in 22 BR and it would dump the case before ejecting and i had to try to pick it out of the receiver and half the time it got pushed back toward the chamber and i would have to rechamber and try again...this happened over half the time! i am mainly a varmint hunter and this was a problem! read about removing the ejector on this site and SHAZAM! shoot and pick out, shoot and pick out! easy after a very little practice. removed the ejector on all my guns except a 223 ackley...the extractor won't let go without a struggle, so i clipped the spring and it ejects just a little...no lost lapuas. my latest stiller precision action had no ejector at all. custom chambers and proper brass processing should not, however, allow for brass canting due to the ejector. factory chambers and resized brass could be a different matter.

 

[SmokinJoe]

I've never been able to understand why anybody would want an ejector in a single shot bolt action rifle. With just a little practice you can insert a fresh round & pluck out the spent round faster than you would ever believe. Go watch some of the BR group shooters sometime. When they "run'em", they may fire 5 record shots into a tiny group in as little as 15 seconds. That seems plenty fast to me. And they don't have to pick their carefully prepared brass up off the ground/ concrete or whatever very often. As many of you do, I spend a lot of time & $$ on my brass, so I want to take care of it as well as I can. Now, hunting is something entirely different. I'll take my CRF win mod 70 for that anyday.

 

[Rtheurer]

All Good answers to the respective discapline that you may shoot. I look at it from a Prone Sling side of the house. I asked this question over on Long Range Forum to see what some of the heavy hitters where doing, like Kent Reeves, Nancy Tompkins, Trudy Fay and the like.
I was quite suprised to see a split down the middle for alot of them, Shooting single shot prone rifles. I have found myself putting all my ejectors back in my rifles for one main reason. That is Team shooting where you have a wind coach either telling you to move your sights or turning them him self when shooting on the National US team. When the weather is nice and you have a condition that is good for the coach he wants you to shoot fast and accurate. Not dilly dally around with your brass... Get on the gun and shoot an X.
So with that in mind I have put all my ejectors back in to keep my muscle memory the same every time I shoot a Match, Team or Indevidual.
Im kind of a slow shooter to begin with so this speeds me up a little so I can spend more time on the sights than muddle around with the spent Norma or Lapua brass. Im pretty close to the ground so having it land there is pretty much a non issue for our type of shooting but I can see how the Bench rest shooters do exactly what they do and why.
I like my ejectors now that Im using them again.
Just another prespective to the topic. Your Milage may very.
Russ T

 

[holstil]

I understand that some want the control of removing their brass. That's cool, just not something I want to do.

I shoot 600 & 1000yd BR and considering doing some F-class. If I start having issues I will consider pulling the plunger. I would probably try to catch them with a towel or something first if feesable. I really like that ejecting gadget.

Different strokes for,.......

Jim