easy to break into??

[SEGARE]

I'm not saying they don't happen, but I've never heard of a burglary that targeted a gun safe. I have known of several people whose homes were burgled where safes were present. They weren't breeched and the thieves took electronics/jewelry/money/etc...items that were left in plain view.
20+ years ago I managed for a national jewelry chain. I was dating the manager of another nearby store whose store was hit by a crew on a Saturday night. They found the phone pedestal at the back of the strip center and bypassed the alarm (bf the days of cell back-up). They then drilled the locks on the safes and cleaned them out. They cut all of the manufacturer tags off items and took all of the jewelry that was in for repairs out of the envelopes and left the envelopes on the floor of the store. The safes were REAL safes...TL/TR rated and they opened them like opening a car door. They made off with about 2 million dollars in loot. They were in the store several hours and took EVERYTHING. As a parting shot, they superglued the locks on the entrance doors shut to slow down access. The break-in went undiscovered until noon on Sunday when the employees showed up to open for the afternoon. The moral to the story is: short of a bank vault, if they want in, they will get in. Stop the opportunist drug-crazed thief (99.999% of gun thefts) and insure your weapons. The case was never solved...

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Commercial business that need a safe should always make it visible to the public. Hiding it in the back room creates a safe haven for thieves. ADT type alarms are great, but an alarm that has a speaker or sirene on the roof or high on the wall will discourage most thieves. Noise and light are their worst enemies.

 

[XTR]

The two that I heard of that got opened, one used a chopsaw from the garage, the other knocked a hole in the wall, wrapped a cable through the wall and pulled the safe out of the house and took it.

When I was young someone robbed the shrimp docks near my house. The safe was found on a dirt road about 2 miles away.

 

[Rsadams]

This is why a good home alarm is so important..... I have been stressing this on here for years.... ANYTHING can be gotten into ANYTHING.... The trick is to limit the time they have to work on it.... If a person knows the police are on the way their not going to stick around to go to jail...

Things get stolen alot by people you know somehow , that's how they know you have the stuff.... If I learned anything as an ex Leo it's that most crimes are committed by opportunities , if there's an easier target , that's the one a criminal will go after 99.9% of the time...

Plus a good alarm watches over your shop and home while your sleeping etc.... It is added protection for you and your family.....I also suggest getting the smoke detectors for the alarm so it will notify the alarm company in case of fire... You also get a break on your home owners insurance...

Please don't put the signs in your yard etc telling a burglar what kind of alarm you have and what to bring to get past it.... Let it be a surprise.... I installed my alarm... Plus by installing it your self it keeps strangers out of your home... I don't even have window sensors where you can see them , instead there's glass break sensors and heat/motion sensors in every room.... A bit of over kill , yes , but you can't move around in my home if you manage to get in without tripping it.... Once again , let it be a surprise... Not to mention , everybody I know , knows exactly what will happen if you break into my home...

 

[SEGARE]

Commercial business that need a safe should always make it visible to the public. Hiding it in the back room creates a safe haven for thieves. ADT type alarms are great, but an alarm that has a speaker or sirene on the roof or high on the wall will discourage most thieves. Noise and light are their worst enemies.

The safes in my story were directly behind a case and were readily visible from the outside.

 

[FNSafari]

This is why a good home alarm is so important..... I have been stressing this on here for years.... ANYTHING can be gotten into ANYTHING.... The trick is to limit the time they have to work on it.... If a person knows the police are on the way their not going to stick around to go to jail...

Things get stolen alot by people you know somehow , that's how they know you have the stuff.... If I learned anything as an ex Leo it's that most crimes are committed by opportunities , if there's an easier target , that's the one a criminal will go after 99.9% of the time...

Plus a good alarm watches over your shop and home while your sleeping etc.... It is added protection for you and your family.....I also suggest getting the smoke detectors for the alarm so it will notify the alarm company in case of fire... You also get a break on your home owners insurance...

Please don't put the signs in your yard etc telling a burglar what kind of alarm you have and what to bring to get past it.... Let it be a surprise.... I installed my alarm... Plus by installing it your self it keeps strangers out of your home... I don't even have window sensors where you can see them , instead there's glass break sensors and heat/motion sensors in every room.... A bit of over kill , yes , but you can't move around in my home if you manage to get in without tripping it.... Once again , let it be a surprise... Not to mention , everybody I know , knows exactly what will happen if you break into my home...

Kinda like why would you open carry? You’ll be the first to go!

 

[338 dude]

A local business was broken into and the crooks had pried open a safe from a well known manufacturer. The security video footage was quick but I was able to make out that the locking bolts on the door were still in the expanded/lock position.

So, it is that easy to break into one?

Apparently they are ,I’ve seen the commercials for a certain safe company where they pry open a competitor safe in seconds

 

[338 dude]

I'm not saying they don't happen, but I've never heard of a burglary that targeted a gun safe. I have known of several people whose homes were burgled where safes were present. They weren't breeched and the thieves took electronics/jewelry/money/etc...items that were left in plain view.
20+ years ago I managed for a national jewelry chain. I was dating the manager of another nearby store whose store was hit by a crew on a Saturday night. They found the phone pedestal at the back of the strip center and bypassed the alarm (bf the days of cell back-up). They then drilled the locks on the safes and cleaned them out. They cut all of the manufacturer tags off items and took all of the jewelry that was in for repairs out of the envelopes and left the envelopes on the floor of the store. The safes were REAL safes...TL/TR rated and they opened them like opening a car door. They made off with about 2 million dollars in loot. They were in the store several hours and took EVERYTHING. As a parting shot, they superglued the locks on the entrance doors shut to slow down access. The break-in went undiscovered until noon on Sunday when the employees showed up to open for the afternoon. The moral to the story is: short of a bank vault, if they want in, they will get in. Stop the opportunist drug-crazed thief (99.999% of gun thefts) and insure your weapons. The case was never solved...

Sounds like those thieves were professionals we don’t even have a good thieves anymore

 

[338 dude]

Commercial business that need a safe should always make it visible to the public. Hiding it in the back room creates a safe haven for thieves. ADT type alarms are great, but an alarm that has a speaker or sirene on the roof or high on the wall will discourage most thieves. Noise and light are their worst enemies.

Do you know what comes to mind for me (cockroaches )they hate noise and light as well .

 

[hpshooter]

Sounds like those thieves were professionals we don’t even have a good thieves anymore

Yes we do, they are in the House and Senate.

 

[338 dude]

Yes we do, they are in the House and Senate.

I wanted to use the laughing emoji but that is very true and not funny

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

In my past life, most of the safes were broken into by putting it on the side and then going through the bottom. It is the weakest part of the safe. It's called pealing the bottom and is very easy to do using nothing more than a hammer and a chisel. Another method is to use a maul and knock the combination off and then insert tools to manipulate the unlocking mechanism.

There is nothing that can't be broken into given enough time. Most safes even in commercial establishments are fireproof but only for a given time and up to a certain heat temperature. The more you pay, the stronger the safe.

Why have a safe if you don't install a good alarm?

Yup, monitored alarm, remote view IP cameras!

Lee

 

[hogpatrol]

Remote areas aren't the only vulnerable locations. One development over from me, over a hundred houses on 1/2 acre lots, a box van backed up in the driveway in broad daylight and emptied the house of all valuables. In a lot of today's neighborhoods, people don't know their neighbors more than two doors away and couldn't tell if someone was being robbed or getting new furniture.

 

[BlueWater]

Layering security is best in my opinion, limit the time they have to work on your safe or valuables. We have the tools in our garages that could get into “most” safes given enough time.

Yup.

High-quality safe, built of heavy-gauge tough materials.
Bolted to the floor and walls.
In a spot that isn't easily yanked off the wall/floor (ie, against a garage outer wall).
Fairly inconspicuous, to cause more time to seek out the location.
An alarm system, monitored.
A couple of tougher security doors to get through prior to getting near the safe.
An alert, capable dog.
If home, well-armed in the event the perimeter/access zones get breached.

Still not bullet-proof. But far better than having lightweight steel RSC that's not bolted, in a home without alarm, without anyone present, without much hope of stopping a theft.

 

[TheOtherZilla]

Angle grinder and go through the side in a minute....cut a nice size hole and reach in...

Yup. This is how most are breached. Bolted to the floor/wall only helps the thief get in. The fire protection is sheet rock inside.

 

[3Sigma]

Here is a good channel to see how easily locks can be bypassed:
https://youtube.com/c/lockpickinglawyer

 

[ttfreestyle]

Anyone have experience with liberty’s flat locking system?

 

[perazziguy]

This is why a good home alarm is so important..... I have been stressing this on here for years.... ANYTHING can be gotten into ANYTHING.... The trick is to limit the time they have to work on it.... If a person knows the police are on the way their not going to stick around to go to jail...

Things get stolen alot by people you know somehow , that's how they know you have the stuff.... If I learned anything as an ex Leo it's that most crimes are committed by opportunities , if there's an easier target , that's the one a criminal will go after 99.9% of the time...

Plus a good alarm watches over your shop and home while your sleeping etc.... It is added protection for you and your family.....I also suggest getting the smoke detectors for the alarm so it will notify the alarm company in case of fire... You also get a break on your home owners insurance...

Please don't put the signs in your yard etc telling a burglar what kind of alarm you have and what to bring to get past it.... Let it be a surprise.... I installed my alarm... Plus by installing it your self it keeps strangers out of your home... I don't even have window sensors where you can see them , instead there's glass break sensors and heat/motion sensors in every room.... A bit of over kill , yes , but you can't move around in my home if you manage to get in without tripping it.... Once again , let it be a surprise... Not to mention , everybody I know , knows exactly what will happen if you break into my home...

If you can get past the barking dog, you won't hear the next sound!

 

[teele1]

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