And on the issue of a crossfire, this is where the ET vendors need to step up to the plate and make us targets that accomodate F-class course of fire.
For the umpteenth time, there is at least ONE ET system that accommodates automatic crossfire detection. Mine. Ozscore. In Asutralia. Where you are. But this seems to fall on deaf ears. This feature is used every week - it is rare for there not to be a crossfire somewhere.
And the users of my system are predominately F class (scope).
Critical to being able to do this is the accurate detection of shots at the muzzle. Detection means detecting the shot event, the time of the event, and which firing point. Also critical is the timing of the arrival at target. The technology exists that allow for this. But only I have adopted it (silly me).
The target should give a visual (and possibly audible) confirmation upon receiving a hit. Then the screen should display perhaps (IN PIT) for the stipulated 7 or 10seconds before displaying the score.
I don't provide an audible indication. I am not sure if it would be any good in the already noisy firing line environment. But it could be done I suppose.
If the target was to receive a hit during the IN PIT stage it simply needs to advise (crossfire detected). After all you can’t crossfire on a target that’s IN PIT.
Again, Ozscore already (and has done so for some years) provides a delay option of 0 (zero) to 15 seconds. Because the system knows about fired shots, where they were fired from, at what time (to millisecond resolution), at what [intended] target, and by whom, it can also accommodate the delay in result display.
What happens when a crossfire is detected? Well, this is where I deviate from the actions on a manual target.
Whoever fired the crossfire cops a miss. They are told (on the screen) that they crossfired but not the target to which they crossfired. Whereas on a manual target two spotters may appear giving the shooter on that target the option to accept the higher of the two scores, this doesn't occur on an Ozscore system This is largely because of the multiple shooter per target feature where deliberate crossfires occur all the time.
The timing logic that is required to achieve this is rather complex and I'm surprised someone as simple as I am has managed to actually figure out how to apply it!
Also if someone crossfires on your manual target your not going to be able to fire for the 7 to 10seconds it takes to come back up, so this software tweak makes no difference to the course of fire in a match between a manual or ET
Then you could ask the vendor to program the software to either completely discount the late shot or display it when the target comes (out of pit)
It is so long since I implemented the shot delay feature that I need to confirm the following. With Ozscore, any shot fired (detected at muzzle) within a timing window is ignored. Well, not entirely - it is tracked to the target. Only the shooter is not informed of anything. Maybe a shot fired during a timing window should be treated as a miss and scored accordingly?
Instead of moaning and groaning about crossfires being such an issue we need the ET vendors to provide this extra little bit of software code.
Well, I bothered to put all this [software code] into my Ozscore system but few of you have cared about it to date. Here you are bleating on about not having delays and crossfire management when it's been out there on Ozscore for years! I have not hidden this - it's just that few of you seem to take note so I have basically given up. Convince me that you really care about all this and that the last 12 pages of this thread is not simply a jaw bashing exercise!
BTW, it's not simply an "extra little bit of software". Furthermore, without knowing about shots fired, and therefore a reliance on arrival at a target as being the only indicator that a shot was fired (from where???? and when???) I would suggest that accommodating what you people say you want regarding crossfires will be somewhat difficult to implement. Which is why I DID go that extra mile and incorporate the necessary hardware (and software) to do exactly what you all say you want. But apparently for free??? Am I wrong? Or missing something?
ET’s are great at displaying the position of the shot, the next stage in their evolution is to program them to behave as a manual target would. It’s pretty simple stuff in 2019
Really? "Pretty simple"? Have you tried doing it? Maybe myself, Dmitri, and Dan have been really simple in that it's taken us each more than ten years to get what we have together. (Read that as thirty plus man years of effort to get to what we collectively have now).
FYI, if all I wanted to do was simply replicate a manual target with a computer display, I probably wouldn't have bothered starting in the first place. There is little challenge in that! I saw the limitations of manual targets (and there were many of them in some form or another) and I figured that an electronic approach could improve on this. In addition, provide an opening for what has been a closed spectator unfriendly sport to become one the masses could view from anywhere using the internet. Yes. Simple stuff! NOT!
You guys, I put to you, are not really interested in what we producing the technology can do - unless we do it for free. I put it to you that we ET vendors could go a long way to provide you with what you want - but being simple I am having difficulty in figuring out what it actually is you want!
1) Shot interval delays can be implemented easily enough but I put it to you all that without knowing a shot has been fired (instead relying on a target event from a bullet fired from who knows where) the implementation is deficient.
2) Cross fires can be detected but the semantics of how they are dealt with is not so simple. Again, I put it to you all that without accurate shot/discharge detection and timing implementation will be deficient.
3) For those of you who want only the last shot fired spotter displayed, well, Ozscore has allowed this (as a shooter option) for years also.
Geoff.
