Drives me crazy!!
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DRIVES MEE CRASY TOO ! I USE TO BUILD MOST OF guns for my predator club and some of the other
members would see some the groups from my guns that I built and than say my factory gun
shoots better that . shoots 1/4 inch all day long . so I say bull sh?T so when I see them out the
range shooting of course they can't . or there shooting 50 yds and then they are mad at me because I go
to the club meetings and tell other members that they are lying . and then I say there a benchrest match
very month . come shoot with us because guys shoot better all the bench rest guys. year after year you
here this crap it gets to you. so I set up a shoot for the great varmint gun shooters in my club. @350 yds.
most of them couldn't hit target my 9 year old son beat all of them. I'm shooting 600 yds now and
most the time no body agg. 1/4 moa wind is a bitch . so we are back square one there will always
be liars. and some are just delusional .and some just don't know. it still bugs me!!
members would see some the groups from my guns that I built and than say my factory gun
shoots better that . shoots 1/4 inch all day long . so I say bull sh?T so when I see them out the
range shooting of course they can't . or there shooting 50 yds and then they are mad at me because I go
to the club meetings and tell other members that they are lying . and then I say there a benchrest match
very month . come shoot with us because guys shoot better all the bench rest guys. year after year you
here this crap it gets to you. so I set up a shoot for the great varmint gun shooters in my club. @350 yds.
most of them couldn't hit target my 9 year old son beat all of them. I'm shooting 600 yds now and
most the time no body agg. 1/4 moa wind is a bitch . so we are back square one there will always
be liars. and some are just delusional .and some just don't know. it still bugs me!!
The gun might shoot, and the load might shoot, but if the nut behind the trigger can't read the wind and adjust properly, there is little chance of holding groups in the one and twos in real world competition. Only when those three elements come together will you see 25-X's on the scoreboard. Good shooting, Jackie!
I think most of those are one shot groups.
I don't let many things drive me crazy anymore 
Fish stories, horsepower wars, and shot groups will always be exaggerated.
We had a guy pull up to the 1000 yard range the other day and tell us how his 308 will shoot 3" groups at 1200 yards using factory Hornady ELD-M ammo. We all just smiled and nodded, and told him to come join us anytime.
Fish stories, horsepower wars, and shot groups will always be exaggerated. We had a guy pull up to the 1000 yard range the other day and tell us how his 308 will shoot 3" groups at 1200 yards using factory Hornady ELD-M ammo. We all just smiled and nodded, and told him to come join us anytime.
Ledd Slinger
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Maybe if a person only shoots a single 3 shot group. Then yeah, of course there can be a fluke.
You can have a nice 10 shot group on any given day and it doesn’t mean it’s a good load to choose unless you prove it in a ladder.
I ladder test with 3 shot groups. Much more effective at showing true load characteristics and POI consistency than the single shot ladders many other folks use.
Recently a guy on this website said his deer rifle with factory ammo always shot .250".
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Well picking the smallest group could work ok in that instance because his point of impact of the groups on the target is very similar throughout the ladder.
However, if that target is only at 100 yards and those are 1” squares, I wouldn’t accept any of those groups. Don’t see a single group that even makes 3/4 MOA.
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Saw this over on the Marlin owners website this evening...just poking the tiger
There was a guy over on ar15.com who came up with a "MOA all day long" challenge and created a thread. Anyone who boasted that their gun shot sub MOA all day long would get challenged to post five 5-shot groups in the thread. It was fun to watch.
There was a guy over on ar15.com who came up with a "MOA all day long" challenge and created a thread. Anyone who boasted that their gun shot sub MOA all day long would get challenged to post five 5-shot groups in the thread. It was fun to watch.
Ok now i gotta go look.
one time while shooting at fairchance pa ,,,the late great Kenny Gilbert was shooting beside me,,,I looked over his way and he was sitting there with a dejected look on his face,,I asked "whats wrong"...he replied "I have only shot one shot and my group is allready in the twos !!".....Roger
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Most of my factory rifles will do it,... however I'm struggling with that "consistent" part... LOL
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I would guess over here we have more "experience" shooting targets with factory rifles compared to you guys as it much easier and cheaper for you to build a semi/custom rifle but I will say that I have seen some crazy accurate factory rifles from Tikka to Howa to Savage and allot in between, obviously they wont stand a chance against a custom PPC or BR but still there is no denying that they really are accurate. I have also seen some shooters with customs that I would whip with one or two of my factory Sako's but I don't think that has to much to do with the rifle platform
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