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Don't Panic RE Port Worker Strike

I’m just thankful that my job cannot ever be replaced by automation. I would be looking into a new career if my job could be. I wonder what new careers these workers would choose to pursue if their job was gone tomorrow and what benefits it might have for the economy as a whole if they were to all go out and pursue something new. I can’t imagine unloading ships was a childhood dream job for them.

Edit: let’s consider a possibility. Each worker is given 3 years pay, lump sum, severance and the industry automates. What would these guys choose to do, freed from concern for their immediate financial wellbeing?
 
I’m just thankful that my job cannot ever be replaced by automation. I would be looking into a new career if my job could be. I wonder what new careers these workers would choose to pursue if their job was gone tomorrow and what benefits it might have for the economy as a whole if they were to all go out and pursue something new. I can’t imagine unloading ships was a childhood dream job for them.

Edit: let’s consider a possibility. Each worker is given 3 years pay, lump sum, severance and the industry automates. What would these guys choose to do, freed from concern for their immediate financial wellbeing?
First of all, their jobs are available other places, although likely company locations not ports, maybe non-union, and almost certainly less pay.

Even if someone was silly enough to give them 3yrs wages, most would just squander it almost immediately and still complain about their situation, that's not so much them it just seems to be human nature.

There are programs for those with their jobs shipped overseas (TAA - Trade Act program) where "if" you cannot find like work you can be retrained for something else that pays similarly and that is an offshoot of unemployment. I and many other workers had our IT jobs shipped overseas, in my case by two different employers years apart. Something like that would work for some of them, basically you get retrained and unemployment same time. Trouble is as most of us know unemployment is kinda like SS, really only works if all you have are monthly expenses (not rent/mortgage, or other loans). I went through all the paperwork got approved, found there were no retraining ops that fit my education that came remotely close to my normal pay range and one of the requirements of TAA was the job you're training for had to pay as good or better. Both times I ended up finding work in my trade and I didn't even need to move. I did know some who did the retraining and they did choose jobs that were not likely to be outsourced to India or in-sourced with H1-B again the same, from India.
Funny part of all this losing jobs stuff... about 3mo after the 2nd time it happened I fell into what I do now and not only do I make nearly twice what I did before, but I've worked 100% from home since 2011. Sometimes life works out just fine.
 
First of all, their jobs are available other places, although likely company locations not ports, maybe non-union, and almost certainly less pay.

Even if someone was silly enough to give them 3yrs wages, most would just squander it almost immediately and still complain about their situation, that's not so much them it just seems to be human nature.

There are programs for those with their jobs shipped overseas (TAA - Trade Act program) where "if" you cannot find like work you can be retrained for something else that pays similarly and that is an offshoot of unemployment. I and many other workers had our IT jobs shipped overseas, in my case by two different employers years apart. Something like that would work for some of them, basically you get retrained and unemployment same time. Trouble is as most of us know unemployment is kinda like SS, really only works if all you have are monthly expenses (not rent/mortgage, or other loans). I went through all the paperwork got approved, found there were no retraining ops that fit my education that came remotely close to my normal pay range and one of the requirements of TAA was the job you're training for had to pay as good or better. Both times I ended up finding work in my trade and I didn't even need to move. I did know some who did the retraining and they did choose jobs that were not likely to be outsourced to India or in-sourced with H1-B again the same, from India.
Funny part of all this losing jobs stuff... about 3mo after the 2nd time it happened I fell into what I do now and not only do I make nearly twice what I did before, but I've worked 100% from home since 2011. Sometimes life works out just fine.
I appreciate what you’re saying. I believe the negotiations that are being discussed are WAY more expensive than giving each worker 3yrs pay but I haven’t done the math. The news is talking billions of dollars.

I was more suggesting that if even some smaller subset of them took a severance offer and started a business or went to do something different in a new industry, it would be a win for our economy. Automation frees people from jobs a machine can do to do things a machine can’t.
 
No one person or entity should have that much power. It is a national security issue. The thug boss making 900K/year sounded like the mafia saying he would basically hold the nation hostage. Break up that union into 1 for each port so you have 36 contracts staggered as to not cripple the economy. Automate the process as much as possible. If they strike, fire them. I bet there a few coal miners that would love their jobs.
 
You know in the old days they used to keep a bucket of corn cobs in the outhouse. You could also use them to make charcoal for making blackpowder.

I guess what I'm saying is; keep corn cobs on hand and you'll be able to handle either task, albeit with a bit more residue.
Just make sure you DON'T USE the cobs with the rat poison on them. :eek: :oops:
 
No one person or entity should have that much power. It is a national security issue. The thug boss making 900K/year sounded like the mafia saying he would basically hold the nation hostage. Break up that union into 1 for each port so you have 36 contracts staggered as to not cripple the economy. Automate the process as much as possible. If they strike, fire them. I bet there a few coal miners that would love their jobs.
The union boss making $900K a year? Wasn't there a guy a few years back that thought he was THE MAN? Anybody ever figure out where he ended up? Maybe on the 50 yard line in an oil drum somewhere??
The union boss said if his boys went back before the strike was settled, they wouldn't work??? Sounds like something Trump could handle. NO WORK, you're FIRED!!
And if the union boss thinks he's too big and can't be replaced, he damn sure better have a better security team better than the USSS. Untouchable??
That's what one of the Rag Heads thought till Trump showed him a picture of his house and the GPS specs. You CAN be replaced. Thinking We the People have just about enough of being pushed around.
And with folks losing EVERYTHING they ever had from a hurricane, they've got NOTHING to loose at this point. Had enough yet??? :mad:
 
Labor unions are literally terrorist organizations. The Great Railroad Strike of 1877, the Haymarket massacre, etc. Labor unions thought is "we get everything we want or we burn down the building". Some good has come from labor unions, and there have been times labor was abused in the past. That doesn't change the wrongs committed by labor unions.
 
When I was at Costco a few days ago, members were buying up all the water. If I were concerned, I would buy a few Brita filtering pitchers. When COVID19 was all the rage, I opted for a $32 Bidet attachment that fits between the toilet and the seat, opposed to grappling at the store for a few rolls of toilet paper.
 
....so your solution is to fire the ILWU highly trained and skilled Longshoremen and replace them with illegals that will eventually unionize but in the interim welcome the wage SAVINGS? Funny, seems how we got here in the first place. Anyone who says this shit has no idea how the labor movement improved working conditions and safety for ALL workers. Anyone who says this neither had the brains or testicles to get in a local union, and made excuses. These jobs are not given away... I tested written and verbally and was chosen by my scores. I served an Operating Engineer Local 12 apprenticeship at the Nevada Test Site for 3 1/2 years in order to get my Journeyman card. Let's see any of you who complain about unions go to work on a bus and ride the bus for 6 hours to get 8 hours pay. Lets see you work in tunnels where you can see the air you breathe not to mention stray radiation from past testing. You guys pushed all my buttons this time...I got, get nothing free, I worked my ass off for what I got and didn't whine'
I worked for 44 yrs as an operating engineer And also served 22 yrs as a navy seabee. These clowns are going to far with their ridiculous demands.
 
Dems do whatever is necessary to "claim" the union vote, for only one reason - political donations. It is far easier to persuade (pay)the union leadership than the actual union members to make donations. What unions have failed doing is keeping manufacturing "made in the USA" and DOING WHAT'S RIGHT. Dems have lost a huge chunk of the WORKING man's votes and the unions/dems know this. That's why Harris/Biden/Walz are GROWING government (many government employees are union), it's a huge tax revenue money laundering scam. Nothing to do with worker safety/health or working conditions anymore, that's all been handled with legislation law decades ago.
 
I've worked in 2 different union factories for a total of over 42 years. I've been though a strike (Hormel) . This is my take on unions...... if you're doing your job (properly) they do nothing for you, but if you're a sandbagger they'll do whatever it takes to keep your job.
I also believe that if the company you work for respects their employees there is no need for a union.
I'm currently with teamsters and agree with doing your job it does nothing for you but they'll fight for people who have issues because they don't work as they should. And I don't feel a particular "brown" company cares for it's workers much at all. It's super sad when they punish hard workers who are getting done to get home. I don't understand the punishing hard work and emphasizing having a slacker mentality. But the unions fight for the latter which I don't agree with at all
 
A 62% raise and a six month contract? For 62% it should be a 10 year contract...
My understanding of it is they went back to work under an extension of their previous contract through Feb so they could have time to finalize the tentative deal for 62% raise over 6 years. Basically if the offer falls through we all might be right back here again come Feb/Mar. Here's an article that spells it out pretty clearly.

Still a large raise for a bunch that already are making pretty good wages.
 
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sounds like more union labor that already makes over $50 an hour trying to squeeze more out of everyone, maybe the taxpayers can make the pension fund solvent like we just did for the teamsters per Biden.
How much "buying power" do their wages have compared to 1980 for the same job? These workers are someone's customer, the money will filter to the top. I'm 82 years old with an active Union Card in my pocket, (retired 24 years) that is why I can still afford to buy, shoot and reload with very nice equipment. Union wages and benefits have provided for my family and the community for many years. I haven't had a medical bill in 45 years, very, very good insurance, although I've had over 30 procedures, operations, IgG4 Auto Immune, 2 Whipples ($150 K each) and now high Lactic Acid and now a bum hip. Plus the skill improvement training I've received and passed on to our apprentices. Unions raise the wages for all workers. Remember the United Auto Worker's received a good wage increase, all the non-union companies in the south immediately increased wages. I'm not a left wing commie pinko, I can well afford to be a capitalist, support my community and country with out complaining.
 

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