dogtown vs varmint extreme bullets,204)

[rossco]

Does anyone know if these two bullets are made by the same manufacturer and who might have manufactured them. I have both bullets and in an attempt to determine if they were the same, i discovered that the Dogtown bullet is .555 long and the Varmint Extreme is .560 long. This seems to indicate two different bullets/manufacturers.

Further investigation revealed that the Length to lands,in my gun) with the Dogtown was 2.333-4 and the length to lands with the varmint extreme was 2.338-9. This indicates that the ogive of the two bullets might be the same ie. .005 difference in the length to lands and .005 difference in bullet length. This might indicate the two bullets are made by the same manufacturer ie. the same bullet for both the Dogtown and varmint extreme.

I do not have a comparator to determine the exact overall length to lands, but i used the stoney point tool. This is probably not quite as exact as a comparator would be.

Also, has anyone shot the two bullets and compared them with the same load?,meaning everything the same except the bullet difference, seated with the same seating die setting).

I know there are a lot of varmint shooters that visit this site and I thought maybe there has been some investigation and testing with these two bullets.
Thanks
Jay

 

[MrC]

I have shot the Varmint extreme out of my 223 and 22-250 they do ok sofar. But they do key ho. I have the 50gr and the 55gr I don"t no why yet .they are the only bullets that do that

 

[ChuckMiller]

I believe they are the same. I measured from the ogive to the base on mine and they were within .001. Length on mine are the same, weight within .1 of a gr. They will interchange in loadings with no changing of POI and after taking a jewelers loupe and giving the hollowpoint a good looking at I see no difference. Add to that they are a unique weight, 34grs, kinda hard to think of 2 manufacturers coming out with the same bullet at the same time. Having talked to both Midway and Midsouth I get different stories everytime I call and talk to someone new. I think this is the bullet Winchester uses in it's factory 204R offering, I don't know who makes it but probably one of the big 3,S, H, N).