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Digital Scales -- TEN Commandments

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Guys, you may want to read the Daily Bulletin for August 19.

http://accurateshooter.com/bulletin.html

I've reprinted an item from Denver Instruments. They explain how to get the best performance from electronic scales. I think this is very helpful whether you have a DI or other brand of digital scale:

10 COMMANDMENTS OF GOOD BALANCE USE

ONE: Thou shalt choose the best resting spot. The performance of your balance depends greatly on the surrounding environment. Choose a location away from the main traffic flow of the room, especially doors. Also be aware of heating and cooling vents as these produce air movement. You can adjust the environmental settings on your balance to provide the best performance in the chosen location. Balances must be placed away from magnets as they affect the weigh cell performance.

TWO: Thou shalt avoid vibrations. Vibrations can come from large machinery in production environments and from fume hoods in laboratories. An alternative to fume hoods are Power Safety Workstations which are designed specifically for use with a balance.

THREE: Thou shalt watch temperature changes. On an analytical balance a one degree temperature change can cause a 1 digit,0.0001g) drift. Although Denver balances have temperature correction built-in, it is still important to calibrate your balance when the temperature changes significantly. Choosing to place your balance in a temperature controlled room, away from sunlight, and calibrating often helps minimize the effects of temperature.

FOUR: Thou shalt calibrate often. Upon installation and each time the balance is moved you should calibrate your balance. For example moving an analytical balance to a location that is only 13 feet higher changes the weight reading from 200.0000 g to 199.9997 g; which means the result is 0.0003 g lighter than the actual mass.

FIVE: Remember to check the level. The instrument should be leveled upon installation with all feet,two front feet for round pan units, four feet for square pan units) touching the countertop. If the level changes, the balance should be re-leveled and recalibrated. As an example, a 200g sample would weigh 0.0025 g less when tilted at an angle of 0.3°.



SIX: Honor thy weights. Keep in mind that weights are only as reliable as their quality and certification. Remember, a 1 g does not weigh precisely 1.00000 grams. Weights should be recertified annually. Denver Instrument offers recertification services on all weights 1 mg to 5 kg. Check to make sure you have selected the proper weight class for your balance. The weight tolerance should be better than balance readability. Always use tweezers or gloves when handling weights as smudges and indentations change the value of the weight. Keep weights in cases so they don’t get scratched or dusty.

SEVEN: Thou shalt always use a small container and weigh in the center of the pan. Especially when using an analytical balance, the effects of air buoyancy increase as the sample container size increases. Using a small sample container will minimize the effects. Items placed on the pan provide a downward force. Placing them directly in the center of the pan keeps corner loading errors at a minimum.

EIGHT: Thou shalt not unplug. To perform within published specifications balances must have power applied for 30 minutes to 48 hours depending on the resolution of the balance. Denver balances have a standby mode which turn the display to standby but keep power cycling through the electronics.

NINE: Thou shalt not ignore static. Static is one of the most common weighing “noises”. It can cause reading to appear too high, too low or just be unstable. Denver balances include grounding methods to reduce the effects of static. However sometimes extra supplies are needed. Consider anti-static weigh dishes, anti-static brushes or low tech ways to increase the humidity of the chamber like placing damp cotton balls or glass wool in a small vial in the corner of the analytical draft shield.

TEN: Thou shalt clean often. Dirty weigh pans and powder in weighing chamber can contribute to static issues and lead to a wide variety of problems. Denver weigh pans are made from stainless steel and can be cleaned using a variety of household and laboratory chemicals. A small paint brush can be used to get power away from the edges of the draft shield for easy clean up.

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Note: there's also a photo of the new Timberline series of scales. A step up from the MXX-123/Acculab 123, this should offer improved performance.
 
Here, let me try a post that is less inflammatory. These instruments offered by Denver have a place. That place is the laboratory. The reloading room is not the place for these scales for the following reasons:

1. Electricity in the home/ garage is less than consistent in both voltage and frequency.

2. The reloading room is not isothermal.

3. Indoor pressure changes every-time a door opens or the AC/heater comes on.

4. Static build up from carpeting is a constant threat to accuracy.

5. MOST IMPORTANTLY, they are not necessary.

Once one can weigh charges to a kernel, it becomes superfluous to weigh with any sensitivity beyond that. One is stuck with the variation of kernel weight.

$500 is a good bit of change to spend on something ill suited to our needs.

Scott Parker
Bakersfield CA
 
Scott,

You make some valid points, but to me, something along the lines of a MXX-123 or Acculab is valuable IN the Reloading room because:

1. I worked with a balance scale for 3 years when I started reloading -- a 10/10. I didn't particularly like it because a) it was hard to judge how MUCH I was over or under when I needed to trickle; b) with a tripod style base, it changed settings depending on its orientation on the bench; 3) I'm a fumble fingers type guy and I didn't like setting the little metal pan on the hanger. Weights would differ if it wasn't placed just right. I didn't like waiting for the hanger to stop swinging.

2. I like the DI and Acculab,Sartorius makes both) because, in my experience, using a line conditioner, these scales have very minimal drift. I had a lesser electronic scale that drifted 0.3 grains on me. I saw that first hand and recorded the drift with photos. Personally, I can work faster with a digital scale than beam scale. I throw charges into a film canister and put the canister on the scale. No chance of fumble fingers messing up or powder spilling. I also found my 10/10 to be less repeatable than the MXX-123, based on multiple weighings of a check weight. YMMV.

Personally I consider the QUALITY digital scales a godsend. My 6BR loads have show ES of 10-13 and SD of 4-6, so I think the scales are working well. I like the fast feedback when I trickle up or remove a few kernels.

But I do live in a temperate area where, 10 months a year, there is no AC or heater running. My loading area has no carpeting, and as noted I use a quality line conditioner.

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Finally Scott I would agree with you that resolution down to hundreths of a grain may not be necessary. But I do need to pay enough for a scale that doesn't drift. That IS a problem for many of the less expensive digital scales. I will take a balance beam over a digital scale that's off 0.3 grains!
 
I've never had a problem with my Denver Instruments MXX123, and here's why.

My reloading room is in the rear of my basement below ground level. It has a concrete floor framed out and insulated walls, covered with blue board and plaster with a wood wains coat. Lighting is 100% fluorescent directly overhead. I keep the room at 72 degrees both summer and winter, and control the humidity at 50%. The room for all intents and purposes is draft free.

My bench is super heavy duty constructed from 2x6 and 4x4's with a 2x6 top covered with 1/2 inch plywood then covered with vinyl floor tile for easy clean up and maintenance. I took a lot of time making sure the bench was dead nuts level with absolutely no wobble.

I stand on a thick rubber mat from Tractor Supply for more insulation but more so to save my old legs from the concrete floor.

I use an APC line conditioner for the MXX123 only turning it on a few hours prior to a reloading session.

Now, here's the hot tip of the day!
I have the MXX123 sitting on top of a Black Granite Surface Plate measuring 9" X 12" and 2" thick which weighs thirty pounds and is dead level also. I feel the surface plate helps insulate and dampen any possible vibrations. They can be had for only about $16.00 from www.useenco.com You can't get much cheaper than that, and shipping isn't that bad either.

I've never had any of the problems that others speak of, and I feel it's because of my setup. I also feel for long range accuracy you MUST weigh every charge. If you don't you'll be looking at vertical. It doesn't take that long to weigh, powder charge the case and seat a bullet. Your groups will thank you for it.

Danny
 
Paul.
I think this thread is very helpful and should be pinned.

dreever,
Which APC product are you using to condition the power? My scale is plugged into an APC Battery Backup/Surge Protector. TAPC also offers a product that stablizes line voltage. Do you think I need one of them in addition to the battery backup?
Thanks
Tony
 
Tony,

I use an APC LE1200 line conditioner you can get them on line for about $40 I also use a APC Pro 8 surge protector.

Danny
 

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