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Different lots of Powder

Gents:

I was curious about mixing powder from different lots. I have an 8# keg of varget and the remains of a 1#can from a different lot. To reduce space, I was considering dumping the remaining 1# can into the bigger conatainer. Does anyone see an issue with that? Both are fairly new powders, just trying to reduce the number of powder cans sitting around.

Thanks,

Mike
 
I do it all the time.

I've even done six 8 pounders from three different lots.
 
It's my understanding, and experience, there is little difference in lot number of canister powders we consumer purchase over the counter. Bulk powders shipped to manufactures is a different story.

We used to load up 3-5 rounds from a new lot and test the results compared to the results of the previous lot. If there was a difference we would adjust the load and keep them separate. If no difference we mixed them together. I find myself doing this out of habit I suppose, because I have never found a discernible difference.

Best Regards......Eagle Six
 
I sometimes mix them. Presumably, every manufacturer has a particular formula for each. For consistency, the formula is duplicated with each lot. My guess is that there can be minor deviations, but not significant.
 
I read some where that Hogdgon holds their powder burn rate variance down to +/- 2% lot-to-lot which is less than the other brands that they handle. It would seem to me that this would minimize any issues with blending.
 
I had a friend of mine come in today....he has been picking my ever shrinking brain for loading info. He said he opened a new jug of h1000. He said that when throwing powder charges..the charge weight jumped from 86 to 91 grains WITHOUT adjusting his dispenser. I don't know what brand of dispenser he uses, but a 6% change seems HUGE to me. I have no Idea yet what the velocitys would be. He said he didn't load any that heavy...he went back to his 86 grain load. IDK if his velocity will be the same. he is going to report back.

I always have heard that it is a bad idea, but have absolutely no proof one way or the other.
 
Shouldn't be a problem at all, so long as the powder from both containers is in good shape. Probably not ideal, but yeah, I'll admit I do this quite often as well.

There ARE differences from lot to lot that the manufacturer has little control over. While it is an specific formulation, you have to remember that powder is made from organic material (usually wood pulp) that varies naturally. While the lab has some ability to modify and correct these variables, there's a certain percentage that they just have no control over. That, in large part, is where these lot to lot variations comes from.

As far as 4xforfun's mention of the weight variation, I'd be inclined to attribute that to moisture content. Powder is higly hygroscopic and can (and will) take on or bleed off moisture depending on how it's stored. Had his buddy gone ahead and loaded the rounds without adjusting the measure, I'd guess that his load would have probably shown little or no variation from the previous load (albeit a differnt charge weight) would have shown. My predecessor, Martin Hull taught me this many years ago when I first started working in the lab. He'd check charge weights when setting up a measure, but only to verify that it was roughly in the ballpark. Beyond that, he set it strictly by the settings recorded for the last loading session. The measure was a Lyman, modified by Seely Masker many years earlier and used a micrometer barrel to set the powder chamber. Very repeatable, and very precise. At any rate, it was loading by volume, rather than strictly by weight, and always gave consistent results.
 
KevinThomas said:
Shouldn't be a problem at all, so long as the powder from both containers is in good shape. Probably not ideal, but yeah, I'll admit I do this quite often as well.

There ARE differences from lot to lot that the manufacturer has little control over. While it is an specific formulation, you have to remember that powder is made from organic material (usually wood pulp) that varies naturally. While the lab has some ability to modify and correct these variables, there's a certain percentage that they just have no control over. That, in large part, is where these lot to lot variations comes from.

As far as 4xforfun's mention of the weight variation, I'd be inclined to attribute that to moisture content. Powder is higly hygroscopic and can (and will) take on or bleed off moisture depending on how it's stored. Had his buddy gone ahead and loaded the rounds without adjusting the measure, I'd guess that his load would have probably shown little or no variation from the previous load (albeit a differnt charge weight) would have shown. My predecessor, Martin Hull taught me this many years ago when I first started working in the lab. He'd check charge weights when setting up a measure, but only to verify that it was roughly in the ballpark. Beyond that, he set it strictly by the settings recorded for the last loading session. The measure was a Lyman, modified by Seely Masker many years earlier and used a micrometer barrel to set the powder chamber. Very repeatable, and very precise. At any rate, it was loading by volume, rather than strictly by weight, and always gave consistent results.

If I read that correctly, the 91 grain load would give the same velocity as the old lot at 86 gr? (!) Are you saying that his powder actually DRIED OUT in the time that he had it? I can see powders GAIN moisture, but to actually dry down??

I seem to remember an article in PS about storing powder. They actually did a whole series of test, both drying it as much as they cold and also wetting it up as much as it would take. I will have to reread the article (if I can find it), but I don't recall seeing anywhere near a 6% change in their samples, and they were actually TRYING to wet/dry the powders.
 
It works both ways, absorbing and drying, depending on how they're stored. That's probably at what I'd consider the outer edge, but I wouldn't be too surprised by it, either.
 
There really is not anyway that the formulation can change density by 6% so it has to be moisture content. My guess is using the old 86 grain will cause a significant drop in MV, but its the safe way to start.
 
MVW, Just to be safe I'd agitate/mix the powder thoroughly. In the past I've mixed up to 6 individual 1lb. containers of powder into an empty 8 lb caddy. 2 or 3 lot#'s. Didn't have a crono in those days so simply tested accuracy results & pressure signs. I never experienced adverse results. However, I was reloading for hunting then, not match accuracy. Just a thought.
 
Call Hodgson with your lot numbers. They can give you the +/- fps of your powders based on their control lot. Why guess, when you can know?
 
Thanks All. I didn't realize the manufacture had that type of info. I think I still have both cans, so I will check.
 
I just bought a 1 lb can of Varget, and my accuracy suffered, I wonder if it could be the drop in temperatures going into the fall, but I reduced the load from 33.7 to 33.6 and I can''t prevent my group from expanding, I will probably pour the remainder out, and buy another lot or change powders altogether.
 
No need to throw out powder. All powders vary some from lot to lot. Match the velocity of your previous accurate powder charge using a chrono and you should be good to go.

Buy powder in 8 lb jugs or several one pounders so you don't have to go through this as often.
 

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