DID WINCHESTER JUST REINVENT THE 351 SL

[farmerjohn]

Just cleaning up my desk and saw the cover on the American Rifleman that I haven't had a chance to look at, and saw the "350 Legend" . Haven't had a chance to look at the specs but I hope it works out better than the first one did. I had one back in the sixties, great little auto carbine, made out of real steel, milled parts, built like a tank. But the trajectory was about like throwing rocks. Never got close enough to see how well killed anything other than turtles and we could shoot down on them.... Think they tried it in a 40 Cal too.
Farmer

 

[centershot]

Ya. It was called a .401 SLR. They were guard rifles.

 

[matthias]

There were several 401, 32, 351 all self loading rifles. Kinda like a blowback m1 carbine.

 

[Bill K]

Too me, the new 350 Legend is just a longer version of the 357 Max. should be a good round for upwards of 200 yrds and especially for those states that require a straight wall cartridge. Bill K

 

[jds holler]

Heck, if I had a woodlot behind the house where I planned to punch a whitetail through the shoulders, I think I'd enjoy shooting sump thin like that. I would want it to shoot little clover-leafs at a hundred yards. Rifles like that are just cool. jd

 

[Larryh128]

Too me, the new 350 Legend is just a longer version of the 357 Max. should be a good round for upwards of 200 yrds and especially for those states that require a straight wall cartridge. Bill K

Issue anyone has had so far with it is accuracy, or lack of it. 1 writer managed to hold a little over an inch but I know of no one who bought 1 and shooting factory ammo that has come remotely close to it. On the flip side, the 450 B is very accurate in the platforms that are available.

 

[Twicepop]

American Rifleman did a write up on this month. They shot the cartridge out of three different guns (two bolt guns and one AR) and between the three it averaged a little less than 1.5 MOA at 100 yds. I didn't see what type of glass or the power that was used in the tests. They did mention that the cartridge calls for .357" bullets (+0.0000" and -0.0030" diameter tolerance) to use in it. That would negate using any .358" diameter bullets that might cause chambering problems with tight necked rifles or raise pressure to high.

 

[Tommie]

The SAAMI chamber dimensions indicate a .355” (9mm) groove diameter yet all but one of the articles I’ve read state that the 350 Legend shoots a .357” bullet. What gives?

 

[sawcarver]

My dad bought a ruger with 22" barrel, put a vortex 4-16x on top and we went to the range. Sighting it in at 200 the winchester white box FMJ stuff was shooting about 2.5-3" groups. Switched over to the 150 GR Winchester plastic tip and the 170 hornady and both shot 1.5" groups at 200. I was pretty impressed for factory everything.

 

[matthias]

Well I pulled a few bullets from factory ammunition today. They all averaged .355 i am interested what the bore dia is on the factory rifles. Has anyone slugged one?

 

[mauser284]

Just another attempt at sneaking money out of the wallets of trendy shooters with no real life experience or shooting experience. Put another away it is another attempt to make the AR-15 platform into something it stinks at just because they can! If you want an AR pattern platform and you want to hunt things that the AR-15's design limitations make impractical just save up a bit more and get an AR-10. Pressure your favorite OEM's to decide on a standard for AR-10 so that they all have interchangeable parts and modularity like the AR-15. Stop it with the foolish and endless new spins on a solution looking for a problem! There are too many cheap rifles like the Thompson Compass often under $300 at Cabela 2X a year out the door. Then you have the Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot, Marlin XL/XS7, Savage AXIS and on and on all of them available on sale a few times a year for cheap that cost as much or less than a new AR upper. Heck my local Walmart has the Remington 700 in 30-06 for $379. I am not anti AR-15 or AR-10 both platforms are great as they are but when you start coming up with an endless number of proprietary cartridges that all suck that is an issue. Even less wise when people take these compromised rounds and chamber an otherwise great bolt gun for a terrible compromised cartridge that while trendy is also not smart.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Just another attempt at sneaking money out of the wallets of trendy shooters with no real life experience or shooting experience. Put another away it is another attempt to make the AR-15 platform into something it stinks at just because they can! If you want an AR pattern platform and you want to hunt things that the AR-15's design limitations make impractical just save up a bit more and get an AR-10. Pressure your favorite OEM's to decide on a standard for AR-10 so that they all have interchangeable parts and modularity like the AR-15. Stop it with the foolish and endless new spins on a solution looking for a problem! There are too many cheap rifles like the Thompson Compass often under $300 at Cabela 2X a year out the door. Then you have the Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot, Marlin XL/XS7, Savage AXIS and on and on all of them available on sale a few times a year for cheap that cost as much or less than a new AR upper. Heck my local Walmart has the Remington 700 in 30-06 for $379. I am not anti AR-15 or AR-10 both platforms are great as they are but when you start coming up with an endless number of proprietary cartridges that all suck that is an issue. Even less wise when people take these compromised rounds and chamber an otherwise great bolt gun for a terrible compromised cartridge that while trendy is also not smart.

Did you reply to the right post?

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Here's a guess. the 350 has a tapered throat. As it shoots fairly soft bullets, that should not be an issue. BTW- my local shop has 3 Ruger ranch Rifles - and says that there is no ammo in NZ yet. Well done. I'll manage to live without one, although, for heavy NZ bush.....

 

[matthias]

Found this on sammie website

 

[Zero333]

So factory ammo is .355" and the bore (according to SAAMI ) is .357" ?
Good job Winchester.

 

[284winner]

Just another attempt at sneaking money out of the wallets of trendy shooters with no real life experience or shooting experience. Put another away it is another attempt to make the AR-15 platform into something it stinks at just because they can! If you want an AR pattern platform and you want to hunt things that the AR-15's design limitations make impractical just save up a bit more and get an AR-10. Pressure your favorite OEM's to decide on a standard for AR-10 so that they all have interchangeable parts and modularity like the AR-15. Stop it with the foolish and endless new spins on a solution looking for a problem! There are too many cheap rifles like the Thompson Compass often under $300 at Cabela 2X a year out the door. Then you have the Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot, Marlin XL/XS7, Savage AXIS and on and on all of them available on sale a few times a year for cheap that cost as much or less than a new AR upper. Heck my local Walmart has the Remington 700 in 30-06 for $379. I am not anti AR-15 or AR-10 both platforms are great as they are but when you start coming up with an endless number of proprietary cartridges that all suck that is an issue. Even less wise when people take these compromised rounds and chamber an otherwise great bolt gun for a terrible compromised cartridge that while trendy is also not smart.

I get your point but I don't think the 350 Legend is that. It was designed to be used in areas where its legal today to use straight wall cartridges but for youths, women or people that can't tolerate recoil. This is what I read in a couple articles. Many purchased the 450 Bushmaster and it was either too much recoil or with the muzzle brake, too loud. I think they answered this dilemma with the 350 Legend.