Dented Annealed Case Necks

[SHootSTraight22]

Hello,
I'm sure everyone here has watched video's on these great annealing machines annealing cases.. Has anyone wondered why these machine makers don't address what to do about the cases falling after it's done being annealed in the automated machine??? I mean, when I anneal my cases by hand and turn to the side to "lay" them on a towel sometimes they slip and fall into one another.. This always causes dents in my case mouths especially if they are chamfered deep!! I noticed with these machines, they may drop the case onto it's head but that can't prevent the case from bouncing around denting the mouths.. I also noticed the Giruad Annealer just drops the case how ever it wants to fall.. What do you guys do about this??? I would think if a card board box was placed under the annealer, after the box was filled to a certain amount the mouths would be all dented up! It looks like it would be a lot of trouble constantly stopping to empty out the box after only a handful of cases were annealed through..?? Couldn't the frequency of this (dented annealed mouths) be controlled some by the annealer (machine) allowing the case to cool before dropping???

 

[Terry]

I use an aluminum foil bread pan set at an angle. They hit bottom first and bounce a few inches to the end of the pan.
No damage noted.

 

[SHootSTraight22]

I use an aluminum foil bread pan set at an angle. They hit bottom first and bounce a few inches to the end of the pan.
No damage noted.

Thanks! I'm wanting to purchase an annealer and like how the Giruad can do bulk without me feeding it but I'm afraid I will have a bunch of dented case mouths once finished.. I don't know of any other design that can be fed bulk amount but the Giruad Annealer?? I like the engineering involved with the BenchMark but think that setting their having to feed it is no more better than my drill/torch method I use... I'm a pretty good case annealer and was just looking to standardize "my anneal mark" or control it so it looks the same on all cases... I figured the best way to do that is by controlling the exact time under fire on each case plus having the case stationary so the flame is at the exact same point on each case... I have a method of treating my brass that leaves "pretty rainbow" (not Obama's rainbow) marks on them that some would pay for and I was just interested in making it look more professional instead of some marks being higher up/or lower on cases due to hand annealing (holding a drill isn't the most steady thing..)

 

[Terry]

I have used the Ken Light annealer for years. As fast as I can load them they are done. It works great. I have done thousands of cases.

 

[SHootSTraight22]

I have used the Ken Light annealer for years. As fast as I can load them they are done. It works great. I have done thousands of cases.

Thanks, I'll see if their's a video on You Tube to see it in action!

 

[Comrade Terry]

I've annealed thousands of cases with my Giraud, and haven't had any issues.

You may be over thinking this.

 

[SHootSTraight22]

I've annealed thousands of cases with my Giraud, and haven't had any issues.

You may be over thinking this.

Well, when I drop a freshly hot case down onto something hard the mouths always dent.. That's annealing by hand Lapua brass! I know if they fall down and hit another brass case they have to do the same from a machine or person?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Limit their drop speed with a ramp

 

[SHootSTraight22]

Limit their drop speed with a ramp

Thanks, thats what Terry said..

 

[jonbearman]

I have a ballistics edge and never ended up with dents. Don't over think it.

 

[jcampbellsmith]

I'm not bothered if there are dents or not. I am going to resize the brass any way. Regards JCS

 

[SHootSTraight22]

I'm not bothered if there are dents or not. I am going to resize the brass any way. Regards JCS

That would be fine, but I anneal after sizing so my bullets are all under the closes neck tension possible...

 

[1066]

If you're that concerned, it would be a simple job to tape a cardboard slide to the machine and let the cases roll down into a silicone rubber bread mould. Colour is a very poor indicator to judge correct annealing temperature by, I think you may be over annealing.

 

[dkhunt14]

I like to anneal before sizing because I want my bump to be consistent. I agree with 1066 and think you are over annealing. Matt

 

[LHSmith]

I like to anneal before sizing because I want my bump to be consistent. I agree with 1066 and think you are over annealing. Matt

+3

 

[Webster]

Why would you think annealing after sizing gives more uniform neck tension? If your cases are only falling about a foot onto a hard surface and denting, the necks must be very soft. Are the necks starting to glow orange/red in a dark room when annealing? I have been criticized for mentioning my plier test on case necks. It’s not a hardness determination but used to determine if you have way over annealed the case neck. Crush the neck of a case that’s never been annealed and an annealed one. Compare the difference. If you can easily close the case mouth of an annealed case its way over done. Very little neck tension regardless of the bushing size you use. If the heat from annealing distorts the neck area I think sizing after annealing would correct this.

 

[noload]

I use an aluminum foil bread pan set at an angle. They hit bottom first and bounce a few inches to the end of the pan.
No damage noted.

My self made annealer has a 30 second cool down before dropping onto an thin alum sloped pan. A little user thought can go a long way with making machines run better, you don't really have to pay someone to do your thinking for you.

 

[SHootSTraight22]

If you're that concerned, it would be a simple job to tape a cardboard slide to the machine and let the cases roll down into a silicone rubber bread mould. Colour is a very poor indicator to judge correct annealing temperature by, I think you may be over annealing.

What color are you talking about?? I don't anneal for color! I anneal for an orange flame flare up! The color is something that just happens.. It's called oxidation...

 

[SHootSTraight22]

I like to anneal before sizing because I want my bump to be consistent. I agree with 1066 and think you are over annealing. Matt

Where are yall getting this over annealing from?? I anneal to the point I see a slight orange flare up at the mouth in a very dark room... That would be about 4-5 sec... I can promise you most on here anneal longer than that even the ones making this statement... I used to anneal before sizing but found out after measuring and sizing over 200 cases in one day that my shoulder set back wasn't anymore accurate... So it just makes scents to anneal before seating bullets so the molecules within the case mouths are all aligned back to normal, instead of some being under slightly differing strain levels..

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Sounds like you got it figured out