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Degree of abrasiveness--most to least

Ok, but does either one clean bbl's.
Please advise

Ok, but does either one clean bbl's.
Please advise.
Once attached to the cleaning rod with a degree of concentricity (the difficult part, but most satisfying aspect of this job) I coat him in sand and tar, an early version of JB paste and Kroil, then shove him down the tube. I find that spinning the BIL is helpful, mostly for my mental health, but it does seem to clean the cannon barrel too. Your results may vary.
 
Then there's Corbin Benchrest Bore Cleaner.

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Is that Flitz the polish or Flitz the bore cleaner?
Liquid polish (green), same as bore cleaner just different label. Flitz told me this. Flitz is far and away the best bore cleaner ive used. I have some Corbin, man is that stuff abrasive, loaded with grit and can easily be felt with my old fingers. barrels have yet to be harmed by flitz and i cant see any difference in copper fouling after yrs of use
 
Just from what I have seen cleaning up a few copper coated neglected barrels for friends, Iosso seems to get it out when JB isn't. Kinda like Chevy, Ford, Dodge debates. I started JB in my regimen 20 years ago but have pretty much switched to Iosso. Pick what works for you best is my advice.
 
I have some Corbin, man is that stuff abrasive, loaded with grit and can easily be felt with my old fingers. barrels have yet to be harmed by flitz and i cant see any difference in copper fouling after yrs of use
Have you found Corbin damages barrels?
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IME using all 3 for a few years, IOSSO is the most abrasive by far. I have worn out a throat with it. JB is more like a scrubber. I don't use it much. The abrasive in Flitz is so fine it's barely able to be classified as an abrasive. I find it cleans very fast and doesn't wear out the throat. It's hard to believe it removes hard carbon so quickly without scratching the barrel, but it does. I use it after an agg, and it only takes 5 full stokes to clean the carbon out.
 
Have you found Corbin damages barrels?
It feels more abrasive than anything else ive used and i wont use it. I would have used it on that horrible 03 barrel if i had it then.
@Bronsin i talked to flitz and was told the grit in flitz is so fine it isnt even classified as an abrasive. The pic below is a before picture of a friends 03 Springfield. He swore it was clean because he got clean patches out. I had to use KG2 and started with a 30 cal brush and finished with a 35 cal brush which was getting loose. There was NO rifling in it, just pits from end to end. Obviously corrosive ammo and lack of cleaning rotted it.
 

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It feels more abrasive than anything else ive used ...
That's what I figured. How do you judge abrasiveness by feel? Answer: You can't. The composition and shape, not just size, of the particles, determine abrasiveness. I use Corbin and like it. Used as directed it's perfectly safe. It's a bore cleaner, not intended to scour hard carbon.
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IME using all 3 for a few years, IOSSO is the most abrasive by far. I have worn out a throat with it. JB is more like a scrubber. I don't use it much. The abrasive in Flitz is so fine it's barely able to be classified as an abrasive. I find it cleans very fast and doesn't wear out the throat. It's hard to believe it removes hard carbon so quickly without scratching the barrel, but it does. I use it after an agg, and it only takes 5 full stokes to clean the carbon out.
Which IOSSO paste?
 
From Bartlein's site -

How to Clean a Barrel​

This is meant as a guide only. In some cases there are no hard and fast rules on how to clean or break in a barrel but there are things that should not be done.​

Always use a good one piece cleaning rod. I prefer a coated Dewey or Bore Tech rods. A nice quality cleaning rod with bearings in the handle so the handle will freely rotate with the brush and or cleaning jag etc…if you don’t have a cleaning rod with a free rotating handle you can cause damage to the bore of the barrel.
Use a good bore guide, any is better than nothing. Excellent examples are the Lucas bore guide, Sinclair, Proshot, Possum Hollow are some examples.

Never mix solvents whether in the bore or in the jars etc… unless you’re a chemist and you know how the chemicals are going to react to one another and how there are going to react with the steel and copper from the bullets and the carbon residue etc…. don’t do it. Some cleaners and mixing are known to cause pitting/etching in the bore of the barrel. Also some cleaners should not be left in the bore for extended periods of time. Some cleaners say it’s safe to leave in the bore for extended periods of time but I do question some of them.

I use Parker Hale type cleaning jag. Cut your patch to the length of the jag (see our website) and roll the patch like you roll a cigarette (this will keep the tip of the rod centered in the bore as it goes down the barrel and with the help of the rod guide you have minimal chance of rod contact with the bore) get your patch soaked with your solvent (if not in a hurry I just use regular Hoppe’s #9 solvent not the copper solvent) run the patch down the bore and just let the tip of it poke out the muzzle. Not the whole jag tip. This will keep the rod from dragging over the crown and damaging the crown of the barrel. Pull the rod back through the barrel and remove the patch and put on a fresh one on the jag get it wet and down the bore and back again. I do this until the patches come out clean. With Hoppe’s I will leave the gun sit over night. Repeat this process until the barrel comes out clean. I store all my guns with Hoppe’s. It will protect as good as any oil. Before shooting run a couple fresh wet patches down the bore and dry patch thoroughly. Dry patching the bore includes wiping the chamber out as well.

If the patch is squeaking/squealing going down the bore and or the cleaning rod is flexing a lot the patch is too tight! The dirt, carbon particles etc.. have no where to go but potentially scratch the bore of the barrel. The very first patch might squeak a little bit because the bore is dry but if it’s doing it on any subsequent patches it’s too tight.

I don’t use a brush for this reason as well. The hard carbon deposits lay in the brush and can scratch the bore.

If you insist on using a brush. I suggest one caliber smaller or an old worn our one and roll patch around it like a cigarette. Push it breech to muzzle and come all the way out. Remove the brush from the rod before pulling the rod back thru. Why? The crown is the last thing the bullet sees/touches when leaving the barrel. And damage to the crown effects the accuracy right away. Pulling the brush back over the crown the bristles have to fold very abruptly and this will wear the crown unevenly and damage it etc… (a lot of people say the bronze brushes are softer than the barrel steel. I do agree with this statement but then why can water erode rocks!) you also get crown wear/damage from the powder gases exiting the barrel. This is known as gas cutting. Sometimes some shooters think their barrel is junk but the crown could be damaged or just worn. In some cases you can recrown the barrel and you can see the accuracy come back. If in doubt take it to a competent gunsmith and have it inspected.

If I’m in a hurry I clean my barrel with Sweet’s 7.62 solvent. Again one patch wet one after another until they come out clean looking (I don’t let the barrel soak for any extended period of time) and once they come out clean dry patch completely the bore and chamber. Then get one patch soaked with Remington 40x cleaner (use to be Rem. Bore cleaner and before that it was called Gold Medallion). Stroke the barrel with that one patch 10x (again don’t completely exit the muzzle). This patch will eliminate any leftover Sweet’s solvent and will tackle any left over carbon fouling. The 40x cleaner in opinion is fine and not aggressive like some of the bore pastes that are out there. After the patch of 40x cleaner dry patch thoroughly. Run a patch of Hoppe’s #9 down the bore and back. Before you shoot again the next day just dry patch the bore and chamber thoroughly. (This is my hurry up method) and only use it when shooting in matches where I have to shoot in days back to back etc…. again if I’m not in a hurry to clean the gun all I use is regular Hoppe’s #9 and nothing else.

No fire lapping kits should be used in our barrels. This can damage the barrel and we will not warranty a barrel in any way.
Your barrel should never be lapped by anyone else other than us. Any individual or gunsmith lapping our barrels also voids the warranty.

We do not recommend using most paste type cleaners. These can be aggressive and like lapping etc… and if you don’t remove all of the paste before shooting you might as well have sand in the bore when the first round goes down it. It will damage the barrel. Also using paste type cleaners can keep polishing to the point and if over used will actually remove/change/effect the bore dimensions. The lands will take the most beating/wear to them. There are concerns that you can make the barrel too smooth and this also leads to copper fouling issues. Once something like this happens to the barrel it is usually damaged beyond the point it can be saved. Also using a past type cleaner with a brush is guaranteed damage to the bore. Paste cleaners like Iosso, Witch’s Brew, KG2 etc….and we’ve seen the damaged caused with these.
 
That's what I figured. How do you judge abrasiveness by feel? Answer: You can't. The composition and shape, not just size, of the particles, determine abrasiveness. I use Corbin and like it. Used as directed it's perfectly safe. It's a bore cleaner, not intended to scour hard carbon.
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So what you're telling me is if i have a handful of sand in one hand and talc in the other and the sand feels more abrasive this isn't so. :rolleyes: I'm done here
 

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