Dasher 1st.

[Bottom Fodder]

If the Dasher came 1St. Would there have been a 6 Br. It’s seam to me You hear the Br. variations way more now than the ole 6br.

 

[Liven The Dream]

First Vote : No

 

[shoot4fun]

If the Dasher came 1St. Would there have been a 6 Br. It’s seam to me You hear the Br. variations way more now than the ole 6br.

But it didn't.
Pure and simple, it was the 6BR Remington that came first.
The 6 BR Remington came along (non wildcat) around 1963 if the info I garnered is correct.
Before then it appeared as a wildcat made from the 308 (or similar) brass of the day.
At the time Mike Waker put it into play the purpose was to supplant the 222 Remington as the "powerhouse" for short range BR instead of, then nonexistent, long range Benchrest of today.
How did that work out?
The 6BR Norma, with very slight neck length improvement, did not come along until around 1996.
It proved that the small dimensional changes were BIG due to the fact the 6BR Norma has long outlasted and brass production for it has far exceeded anything the 6BR Remington ever hoped for.
I think the bigger question is would the Dasher have ever been developed on the 6BR Remington.
My feeling is the Dasher (and many other great variations like BRX, BRDX, BRA) may never have come to pass without the coming of he 6BR Norma.

 

[Dave M.]

If the Dasher came 1St. Would there have been a 6 Br. It’s seam to me You hear the Br. variations way more now than the ole 6br.

Not sure where you are going with this, but if the dasher did indeed come first (which it clearly didn’t because the 6BR came out decades before the 6 dasher), why would someone set out to create a cartridge that was equally as accurate but shot 100-150fps SLOWER??? They wouldn’t make much sense. Therefore, if the dasher came first, I can’t think of a logical reason why anyone would ever take it to create the less efficient 6BR.
Dave

 

[NZ_Fclass]

At least we know the answer to that chicken and egg question!

 

[Danley]

Don’t under estimate the “ole” 6 BR. Lots of good shooting BR’s out there holding their own AND winning against some of those Dashers in the 600yd game!

 

[Bottom Fodder]

Not sure where you are going with this, but if the dasher did indeed come first (which it clearly didn’t because the 6BR came out decades before the 6 dasher), why would someone set out to create a cartridge that was equally as accurate but shot 100-150fps SLOWER??? They wouldn’t make much sense. Therefore, if the dasher came first, I can’t think of a logical reason why anyone would ever take it to create the less efficient 6BR.
Dave

That was my thinking

 

[338 Mollett]

A question most worth asking !

 

[Dave M.]

Don’t under estimate the “ole” 6 BR. Lots of good shooting BR’s out there holding their own AND winning against some of those Dashers in the 600yd game!

I saw that was true about 3-4 years ago, but in all the 600 yard competitions I’ve shot in both this year, and last season, I’ve only seen one guy shooting a 6BR. And this guy told me he is waiting for the accuracy to drop off so he can twist on his new 6 dasher barrel that his smith just cut for him. I think if you have two excellent shooters going toe to toe in the same conditions, one with a 6BR and the other a 6 Dasher; the results will be very close; but in the end the extra 100+ fps on the dasher will likely result in a few more X’s (and less 9’s) than the guy shooting the 6BR.
Dave

 

[nakneker]

If the Dasher would have come first I highly doubt the 6BR would exist today but I for one I’m very happy it didn’t happen that way. The standard 6BR is a joy, maybe it’s slower in competition but it feeds better and is very accurate, I prefer the 6BR for calling rigs or sitting prairie dog towns where that 100 FPS doesn’t mean as much. Besides, look at all the fun that has been had making 6BR variants…. Would have been a shame to miss out in that chapter of cartridge history.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

So far I've given the Dasher a miss. I love my BR - just waiting on a new stock for it. I have a BRX varminter ('cos a mate has a reamer) and now a 6mmSLR, so far unfired. Maybe, one day...

 

[jackieschmidt]

Whether you are shooting a regular 6BR Norma, a Dasher, a 6BRX, or any of the other variants, they all owe the performance that we achieve today much in part to the Lapua 6BR Norma case.

 

[kneedtospeed]

Prob a lot more to winning, than just FPS!

 

[wildcatter]

I have no interest in a Dasher, the 6BR, or BRA is what I will shoot. I just never warmed to the Dasher, or other short necked Kool aid.

Just my opinion, but if a Dasher or other variant had been first, experimenters soon wood have proven how much easier to tune, less finicky, and just as accurate, the shortened 6BR case is.

But either way, like the ppc, shortening and lengthening we would have ended up right where we are today.

 

[swd]

I have no interest in a Dasher, the 6BR, or BRA is what I will shoot. I just never warmed to the Dasher, or other short necked Kool aid.

Just my opinion, but if a Dasher or other variant had been first, experimenters soon wood have proven how much easier to tune, less finicky, and just as accurate, the shortened 6BR case is.

But either way, like the ppc, shortening and lengthening we would have ended up right where we are today.

Those short necked Kool Aid rounds are more like fine wine. LOL. There’s nothing about a BRX or Dasher that’s finicky or hard to deal with. And I have BR, BRA, BRX and Dasher barrels..

 

[Forum Boss]

Remember the 6mmBR was popularized in Europe with 300m competition. The standard 6mmBR cartridge was unbeatable at that distance (in that discipline) with other chamberings. The Dasher emerged as a somewhat faster cartridge with the heavier 6mm bullets, and that was advantageous at 600 yards. But a lot of guys were shooting the 6mmBR at 300m with 85-95-grainers.

The Dasher became popular in USA PRS/NRL competition because the slightly longer case worked better in rapid fire from magazines. But a standard 6mmBR is certainly capable in that discipline. The 6BRA (my favorite) offers near-Dasher speeds with very simple, easy forming.

I would add that, at the typical weekend "fun" club match (NOT a formal IBA/NBRSA match), a standard 6mmBR can do just fine at the typical distances, which are 100-400 yards. Not all ranges have 600 yards, and even fewer 1000.

 

[ben lurkin]

Not sure how the dasher would/could have come first since it’s an outgrowth of the BR. I suppose somewhere in the multiverse it might have occurred though.

 

[DickE]

I believe Dan Dowling of Colorado came up with the Dasher. Made one for himself, next one was for Richard Schatz. Dates I can't come up with. But the rest is history.

 

[shoot4fun]

I would just about make a wager that @birdog knows all the specifics about the Dasher's beginnings and especially about King Richard"s involvement .
Are you listening from The Dasher Dome today?

 

[wildcatter]

Remember the 6mmBR was popularized in Europe with 300m competition. The standard 6mmBR cartridge was unbeatable at that distance (in that discipline) with other chamberings. The Dasher emerged as a somewhat faster cartridge with the heavier 6mm bullets, and that was advantageous at 600 yards. But a lot of guys were shooting the 6mmBR at 300m with 85-95-grainers.

The Dasher became popular in USA PRS/NRL competition because the slightly longer case worked better in rapid fire from magazines. But a standard 6mmBR is certainly capable in that discipline. The 6BRA (my favorite) offers near-Dasher speeds with very simple, easy forming.

I would add that, at the typical weekend "fun" club match (NOT a formal IBA/NBRSA match), a standard 6mmBR can do just fine at the typical distances, which are 100-400 yards. Not all ranges have 600 yards, and even fewer 1000.

I agree, and use the 6BR for 600 yards, in a Savage Axis on top of that. I am not a national's threat, but have one high score with it only competing once or twice a year. When I do I'm the only one not shooting a 17# custom action, and they all take notice.

I believe the 6BR, and 6BRA win group and high score a s much as a Dasher. I also believe when absolute accuracy, groups, are concerned, the 6BR holds many records, as does a BRA, not sure on how many a Dasher holds?

But have loaded for both, and know way did I find as many combinations in the Dasher as I have in the straight 6BR. I won't go onto the stupid simple case prep for a BR, compared to the pain and expense of prepping the Dasher.

Let's face it, in National competition, anyone winning with a Dasher, BRX, BRA, or BR. is probably going to win, and has with any one of them! But they aren't going to have as many loading or components options as they will have with the 6BR.

I am sorry about my Kool aid comment, I didn't think it would be like abusing ones kids.