Sorry my dyslexic fingers meant to say you quoted InkedIan in post #18
Custom neck honing/reaming for full-length sizing die?
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Sorry my dyslexic fingers meant to say you quoted InkedIan in post #18
The only time I ever factory dies altered was a couple I sent to Jim Carstensen to have them made into bushing dies. I've never had a die honed. I shoot almost no factory ammo, the only standard cartridge I shoot is the odd 223. Everything else must be made from something. This usually involves either necking up or necking down as in the case of making 20-223AI from 223 or 20 Vartarg or 17 MKIV from 221 Fireball. I could go on for quite a while. In many cases one can use a bushing die for say, a 223 and make any number of other rounds by just changing bushings and using a mandrel after the neck reduction to round things out. Same with necking up.
Rick
I didn't say you couldn't do it. It's just not optimal to use a bushing die to neck down cartridges and then turn necks. When you neck turn to the shoulder the portion unsized by the bushing will be cut much thinner than the rest of the neck.
I'm not really looking to debate the topic non-bushing vs bushing. I'm just looking for someone that will hone the neck portion of my full length sizing die. Whether or not you think it's needed is irrelevant. By all means create another thread if you want to debate that.
bozo699
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Well stated sir!.... I really love this forum!... some of the classiest guys on the planet.
Wayne
Please excuse me for having an opinion based on experience. When you start a thread you open the discussion for opposing points of view even when that isn't what you intended. If honing was such a good idea you would find competition in the market place rather than having a hard time finding anyone to do it. Also, when differing opinions are aired observers can learn things they had never considered. Personally, I had never even thought of honing and whether or not it's a good idea. But it's your time and your $$. Best of luck in your quest.
Rick
I would agree if this was a thread started with intention of getting opinions but it wasn't. It was started only to find someone that offers a service I'm looking for. Just because something isn't common doesn't mean it's not legitimate. So your opinion and comments aren't really helpful to anyone in this thread. Like I said if you want to debate a topic please start another thread instead of clogging up mine. Thanks
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Sir, this forum is a place for discussion. You may not like what gets discussed and added to your thread, but it's a fact of life in an open forum. When you start the ball rolling you have no control over where it goes. Deal with it. If you have a problem with the thread, then delete it. That's about your only choice. As for being helpful, I'll disagree with that too. Most people have never heard of honing dies, so it is a benefit to them to see it discussed. I'll also add that if you don't like the way this forum operates, then start your own. I pay to be here, how about you?
Rick
dgeesaman
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I suggest you call Jim Carstenson (JLC). In addition to punching pockets for bushings, I think he can take small amounts of material off by honing or lapping.
On the other hand it might be cheaper to buy a new die to the specs you want. He makes really good does also.
David
On the other hand it might be cheaper to buy a new die to the specs you want. He makes really good does also.
David
Bushings are tapered on the inside. At least the Wilson ones are only the nominal diameter near the very middle or slightly above it. They start out 0.003 bigger at the entrance (that's excluding a lead in chamfer/radius).
That’s even more interesting. I didn’t know that, having only messed with them a couple times.
You stunk up the thread,why ? You are trolling now, and looking mighty childish.
Seriously? And exactly how was it I accomplished that?
You know after giving this some thought, I fail to see exactly how it was that I "stunk up" anything. I responded to the OP with a suggestion about bushing dies as I had no idea how experienced he was and couldn't know if he knew anything about them. I was genuinely surprised that he took issue with my reply. If he really wanted help he might have given more info as to what he was doing with what cartridge etc. But he seemed to think that wasn't necessary. Fine. But there was no need to get his panties all in a wad because someone didn't add what he though they should to "his" thread. This is an open forum and as far as I read the rules a thread doesn't "belong" to anyone. Of course responses need to be civil, but I fail to see why information that isn't precisely what was asked for can't be shared. Now that I know that the OP knows all there is to know about necking down, honing, bushing dies etc, I'll be happy to refrain from posting on any of "his" threads.
Rick
You know after giving this some thought, I fail to see exactly how it was that I "stunk up" anything. I responded to the OP with a suggestion about bushing dies as I had no idea how experienced he was and couldn't know if he knew anything about them. I was genuinely surprised that he took issue with my reply. If he really wanted help he might have given more info as to what he was doing with what cartridge etc. But he seemed to think that wasn't necessary. Fine. But there was no need to get his panties all in a wad because someone didn't add what he though they should to "his" thread. This is an open forum and as far as I read the rules a thread doesn't "belong" to anyone. Of course responses need to be civil, but I fail to see why information that isn't precisely what was asked for can't be shared. Now that I know that the OP knows all there is to know about necking down, honing, bushing dies etc, I'll be happy to refrain from posting on any of "his" threads.
Rick
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I'll give him a call tomorrow and report back.
What did Jim C say about honing out a die neck? I have a couple I would like honed out a thou or two.
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