Criteria for winning a spot on the United States Palma Team in 2019.

[chuckles]

I am hoping that an official involved with the upcoming 2019 Palma Match in New Zealand can provide an explicit set of criteria; involved with the selection of United States Team firing members.
What were the exact selection mechanisms utilized? And were they implemented in a fair and unbiased manner.
For future US Palma Team competitions, it might be prudent to articulate the “explicit rules of the team selection”. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Can’t seem to find the exact team selection process stated definitively.
The Chucker

 

[clowdis]

Palma team members are selected from the US National Rifle team roster. Read this http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/us-national-rifle-team-tryout-in-mn-july-7-8-2018.3946414/. So first you have to make the US National Rifle Team. The team captain will review potential shooters via a series of matches both National and International during the year before the next Palma match. Team members are selected by the Team Captain and shoot at his discretion. Same goes for the US Veterans Team and the U25 Team. The team for New Zealand in 2019 will be selected in the next month or so. Tryouts are over for the Palma Team and U25 and the Veterans team will be complete after Spirit of America.

 

[Mr. Ten-X]

Team members are selected by the Team Captain and shoot at his discretion.

Having worked professionally for the 5 years prior with the captain that instituted this "the Brits always kick our @sses...so let's pick our team like the Brits do" I knew the rule was coming before anyone. I didn't agree with him then and I don't agree with this rule now. That is a monarchy and if I want to shoot under monarchy rule, I could go to someplace like...Britain!

He also went off on a tangent about shooters not holding super-tight elevation. He went so far to even petition a company to make small primer pocket brass. Trust me on this, when you get into winds of 20+ mph that are changing as fast as a 2 year old's whims, elevation 9's are the least of your worries. The 7's that come up side to side on the target should make even a newbie see where the problem really lies. But, captains and coaches loooove to use the elevation excuse when they fail. If they put 10% of the effort into a coaching staff that can actually communicate that they do on shooter selection, they might actually stand a chance of winning someday.

Select shooters fairly, openly, in a head-to-head contest and the cream that rises to the crop will be capable of winning. Then work on team cohesion and coaching.

 

[clowdis]

Having worked professionally for the 5 years prior with the captain that instituted this "the Brits always kick our @sses...so let's pick our team like the Brits do" I knew the rule was coming before anyone. I didn't agree with him then and I don't agree with this rule now. That is a monarchy and if I want to shoot under monarchy rule, I could go to someplace like...Britain!

He also went off on a tangent about shooters not holding super-tight elevation. He went so far to even petition a company to make small primer pocket brass. Trust me on this, when you get into winds of 20+ mph that are changing as fast as a 2 year old's whims, elevation 9's are the least of your worries. The 7's that come up side to side on the target should make even a newbie see where the problem really lies. But, captains and coaches loooove to use the elevation excuse when they fail. If they put 10% of the effort into a coaching staff that can actually communicate that they do on shooter selection, they might actually stand a chance of winning someday.

Select shooters fairly, openly, in a head-to-head contest and the cream that rises to the crop will be capable of winning. Then work on team cohesion and coaching.

I don't agree with everything you say, but I do agree that if we win anything it will be won by the coaches. We have as good a bunch of shooters as any country in the world, but we do sometimes get beat at coaching. I am a coach for the US Veterans team and I have been through a selection process. I've been to Pasco, Was., Raton, NM., and Upper Hutt, NZ to win a place on the Vets team. We will finish team selection in Raton, NM. (again) next month by selecting the shooters for the team. I feel like our coach selection selection process has been as good as anybody's. I don't know how the Palma team will select their coaches or who they will select but I do know there will be a couple of new faces on the line this go-round. But to answer "chuckles" post, nobody makes any of the teams without making the US National team first. Oh, one other thing, "plays well with others" is also a requirement.

 

[riflewoman]

The problem with selecting a team from a list of shooters from an aggregate individual competitions is that you have no idea how well they do under a coach. You need shooters that will break with windage and elevation held to tight standards and accept the wind call of their coach. This includes being the “wind guinea pig” and taking a point loss individually if needed for the team. Unfair or not that’s the way it is. Regardless of talent, professional sports teams make it clear that individual players play at the discretion of the Coach and General manager.

 

[Mr. Ten-X]

A person that shoots at that level has probably fired on a team or two, from my experience anyway.

Nobody makes a living at this unless they are a gunsmith, etc.

 

[saskatoon]

Having worked professionally for the 5 years prior with the captain that instituted this "the Brits always kick our @sses...so let's pick our team like the Brits do" I knew the rule was coming before anyone. I didn't agree with him then and I don't agree with this rule now. That is a monarchy and if I want to shoot under monarchy rule, I could go to someplace like...Britain!

He also went off on a tangent about shooters not holding super-tight elevation. He went so far to even petition a company to make small primer pocket brass. Trust me on this, when you get into winds of 20+ mph that are changing as fast as a 2 year old's whims, elevation 9's are the least of your worries. The 7's that come up side to side on the target should make even a newbie see where the problem really lies. But, captains and coaches loooove to use the elevation excuse when they fail. If they put 10% of the effort into a coaching staff that can actually communicate that they do on shooter selection, they might actually stand a chance of winning someday.

Select shooters fairly, openly, in a head-to-head contest and the cream that rises to the crop will be capable of winning. Then work on team cohesion and coaching.

Amen, TenX!

 

[1911mag]

So when does selection happen for U25 team? Is it a individual or series of matches? Does coaches change from year to year?

 

[clowdis]

The teams are all set for this cycle. The next opportunity will be in 2022 for the 2023 teams.

 

[Bart B.]

The 1992 US Palma Team Tryouts were all shot at 300 yards in 1991. Competitors could shoot any rifle and 308 Win load they chose. Several 20 shot strings.

 

[Mr. Ten-X]

http://www.semno.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Making-The-Grade.pdf

 

[Bart B.]

Regardless of talent, professional sports teams make it clear that individual players play at the discretion of the Coach and General manager.

Which is why individuals scores in tryouts often don't equal those in the team match, some higher, others lower.

 

[Mr. Ten-X]

Yeah, we just witnessed a hard-picked Vets team go down in flames like never before in their entire history. They left Coach Bob Mead stay home and 2 former national champions that both had actual Palma Team experience (Crawford and Gregory) from a time when you actually had to shoot your way onto the team. Both had been shooting pretty darned good too. I'm sure they'd have done significantly worse with these 3 guys on the team Captain Crandall gets to wear that 4th place hat the rest of his life.

 

[Warren Dean]

Yeah, we just witnessed a hard-picked Vets team go down in flames like never before in their entire history. They left Coach Bob Mead stay home and 2 former national champions that both had actual Palma Team experience (Crawford and Gregory) from a time when you actually had to shoot your way onto the team. Both had been shooting pretty darned good too. I'm sure they'd have done significantly worse with these 3 guys on the team Captain Crandall gets to wear that 4th place hat the rest of his life.

Sad to hear.

Politics should be left to those corrupt enough or stupid enough to engage in it....and kept out of our shooting sports.

 

[JeffT]

Sad to hear.

Politics should be left to those corrupt enough or stupid enough to engage in it....and kept out of our shooting sports.

There is always politics involved.

 

[DarkStar]

The teams are all set for this cycle. The next opportunity will be in 2022 for the 2023 teams.

If I could get away from shooting offhand and sitting, I might give this a shot.

Maybe some 1000 yard offhand and sitting rapid fire. . .

 

[Warren Dean]

There is always politics involved.

Indeed!!

 

[clowdis]

Yeah, we just witnessed a hard-picked Vets team go down in flames like never before in their entire history. They left Coach Bob Mead stay home and 2 former national champions that both had actual Palma Team experience (Crawford and Gregory) from a time when you actually had to shoot your way onto the team. Both had been shooting pretty darned good too. I'm sure they'd have done significantly worse with these 3 guys on the team Captain Crandall gets to wear that 4th place hat the rest of his life.

The Veterans Team match is tomorrow. Get your BS straight before you spew it.

 

[clowdis]

Well, the World Veterans Team match was today and the U.S. finished fourth. The match was won by the Australians with Great Britian finishing second and the home team New Zealand finishing third. Match conditions were pretty mild considering what this range can offer. Guess we'll try again in 4 years.

 

[dolek]

Well, the World Veterans Team match was today and the U.S. finished fourth. The match was won by the Australians with Great Britian finishing second and the home team New Zealand finishing third. Match conditions were pretty mild considering what this range can offer. Guess we'll try again in 4 years.

Congrats to everyone, thanks for the update.