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Coyote Hunters: How often do you need a 2nd shot? Is a single shot bolt action enough?

not to often do you need a follow up shot on yotes but every once in a while one needs a clean up shot. Lots of times you need to blast away at multiple dogs. If they are dumb and not educated to a E caller get your shotgun out and have some close range fun!
here is one i shot a while back 3" lead BB DRT
 
I use a Tikka T3 Varmint in 223 and a Rem870 in 12ga with a double Xtra full varmint choke. The 223 has always dropped them with one round out to about 200yds. The 12 ga with #4 shot is good to about 70 yds.
 
I don't see blasting away at anything for any reason. I do see using the right gun to suite the country i am hunting in, if it's wide open country and a long shot it will be a bolt gun, if i'm in the trees which most of the time i am it will a AR. I am lucky in that within 30 minutes i can do either one.
 
Hunting from a box blind your best chance for a second shot will be a quiet first shot. A suppressed 22-250 since your shots may reach 450. A bait set at 200 yards upwind, would get you at least one good shot. I have found shooting suppressed that another coyote will return to the bait the same day. At sunset or under a moon, with multiple coyote at the bait, a second shot is likely as the coyote will often stop a short distance away.
 
I'm a bolt gun or lever guy myself. I used to have an AR I used extensively for Coyotes but got tired of the runners. It doesn't matter how many rounds you have when the terrain only allows for one shot. I have since switched to the .250 Savage with 90gr Blitz Kings and they stay put. Also have a model Seven in 6mmBR that I built for dogs but haven't got out this year to try it out.
 
When I hunted coyotes in an open frozen marsh full of muskrat Den's, I had several trips out when multiple coyotes responded to my calls. I used an AR 223 and killed 3 out of 4 coyotes that responded. Needed 10-15 rounds sometimes but I had 300-400 yards around me and many times hit one at 125 and had another 300 yards to follow up on 2-3 other coyotes making for cover. Occasionally I killed 2-3 only because I had a semi auto. No way I'd have killed more than 1 with my bolt guns. I can sure say it's a blast when you have those opportunities. They don't happen often but when they do, its a rush.
 
If you hunt with an AR, when you get out of the truck to start your stand, do NOT hit the bolt release and alert every coyote wihtin 800 yards! I have hunted with both, guys that I hunted with that carried AR's could not help the habit of hitting the bolt release and waking up the dead.
 
Several years ago I called in a triple, shot one and the others run off before I could reload, I was shooting a single shot. I went home and ordered an AR, I got it and with scope mounted started load work up. Two weeks latter I call in a single and kill it, 1 shot. On my next stand I call in a triple and kill all 3 with 3 shots in seconds. A few weeks after that I call in a pair of fox 2 shots and 2 down. Had I been shooting a bolt gun I would have killed some but not all. If you go the AR route don't do it for the spray and pray but for the second critter that comes in. I haven't killed that many coyotes but only one needed a second shot.
Kudos! With your skill and an AR, you are truly a varmint "shooter" not just a "hunter".
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Shooting at running coyotes is a Hail Mary at best, but you can get good/lucky at connecting. Once I aimed three fence posts in front of a coyote at a wild guess range of 300 yards with a 243 shooting 80g sierra blitz bt at 3400. Lucky shot got him right behind the eye...dumb luck!

Guys that shoot shotguns often can develop a feel for leading running coyotes where they don't stop their swing and are not scared to aim in front of them.

The problem with the guys that carried AR's that I hunted with was that they had a machine gun attitude on every coyote.

An extended bolt handle on a Remington allows you to work the bolt a lot faster.
 
If you hunt with someone who has to empty their AR toward whatever you are shooting at, it should be the first and last time to hunt with them. There isn't anyway in the world they can focus on both shooting at that dog and making sure the back drop behind that dog is safe enough to do so in order to throw that much lead down range at once without knowing in advance what is down there.

Anyone who has worked in the woods during hunting season knows what i mean.
 
I have found a quick second shot is an advantage 1 out of 3 hunts maybe higher than that. Reason not being spray and pray as much as multiple dogs scattering only to stop for that final look to see what just happened. It has accounted for many double and triple kills.
 
Do I need a repeating bolt action for coyotes for a follow up shot? Reason I am asking: we are getting more and more coyotes in my old time deer hunting area. I have some nice varmint rifles but all are built on single shot BR actions. My favorite is a little BAT S, right bolt, left port, with ejector. I have several barrels for it that are SS Match in different varmint calibers that are deadly accurate. My favorite is a 20PPC shooting 40g BT bullets at 3950fps. It is laser flat and unbelievably accurate. I have shot several groups at 500 yards under an inch off a Harris BiPod! Kid you not. Anyway, I have only shot 3 coyotes. One with the 20 PPC and two with a 22BR. Only one needed a follow off shot to finish him off at 250 yards (shooting 22BR). Best I remember it was a high lung shot and he started to drag off to the woodline. On the rifle I have a 2 round cartridge holder like the PRS shooters use in case they drop their magazine and cant recover it. So I can get a 2nd shot off pretty quick, but I am sure not as quick as a repeater action. I actually picked up all the components to make a repeater over the last three years, but still have not convinced myself I even need to chamber it and put it together. It is a BAT VR repeater with BR and .223 bolts I picked up because a guy abandoned his project. McMillian Game Warden stock. Jewell trigger with safety. Krieger .224, 1-8 twist, Rem Var contour. I am planning on a 22-250 because of the reliable feeding. They are plenty accurate for varminting. I dont think I am going to do the magazine block thing for BR cases. So, back to the question, do I even need a repeater or just keep using my BAT S with ejector? How often have you guys needed that quick follow up shot or two on coyotes? Samuel Hall
Pretty sure I could live with a good bolt gun if I only hunted fairly open country, during the day, and when the weather was not too cold.
But here in the backwoods with shots anywhere from a few yards to several hundred, temps from +5 to +60F, the versatility of the AR(adj stock, fast handling and acceptable accuracy), especially with NV, is where I would be.
Biggest downside to a stock AR is the mil-spec triggers. A really GOOD aftermarket trigger that is consistent is crucial on this platform, and often a huge asset on most bolt guns.
Reloading for the ARs is a different proposition also, so be sure you've got that down or just grab a 50ct box of Hornady 55gr Vmax and start the "Smack-downs!"
 
Randy Anderson used the single shot TC Encore and did pretty well. I've shot at them and missed with AR's just as well as with my bolts and singles. But yeah the AR rules the land for coyotes. I hunt in Arkansas and this last Monday "off work" called in the woods to get away from the strong winds and had a double come up and smoked one with the 12ga. and Hornady heavy mag. BB. The other was out of range and gone before I could get on it with my Mossberg 930 JM PRO.... So point is use what you have, if one gets away thats one you get to call later.
 
Short answer.......repeater.

I'd do a 22 CM over the 22-250.

However, I'm kinda anti Crapmore, so I did mine in a 22x47 Lapua......;)

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ON a bolt gun, remember to ask the gunsmith about the amount of freebore vs the bullet you want to shoot. If all he has is a reamer set up for 90g bullets and you want to shoot 55's, you are starting off with 1000 rounds plus of throat wear before the barrel is ever fired.

Also on your cartridge and bullet choice, remember mag length. VLD type of bullets often put you over mag length to touch the lands prior to pulling the trigger on a brand new barrel, and this is really poor planning.
 
I live in P.A. And hunt with a bolt gun (repeater). When I hunt Montana wide open country is use a A.R. Dtech Upper 6mm DTI. Insane accuracy. Get yourself a Dtech upper he builds a bunch of calibers. And they shoot better than most bolt guns.
 
Sam,
I would shoot what you have to start. I am in the same boat as you all single shots. I just got a Tikka T3X SS in 223 for a light weight varmint gun. Great factory trigger and is shooting sub 1/2" at 100 yds.

Mark Schronce
 
Mr. Hall, please use a bolt gun with a magazine for follow up shots on the first animal hit, and hunt in such a way to expect multiples to come in on the same stand. When you hit one, blow a wounded pup call, expect one of their buddies to show up looking for his buddy.

Bullet choice is critical as some target bullets work and often there are better choices for killing animals effectively. If you hit a coyote behind the diaphragm, which happens often because they often do not stop, then you will need a follow up shot. You have to learn to shoot them on the walk, trot, and run, leade them like you would a dove. For this reason, you often hit them further back in the stomach or hips. These shots that are not perfect is where bullet choice or cartridge choice often pays off in spades. NEVER think of coyote hunting and perfect broadside shots, as you hit them all over the body...it's called hunting.

AR's feel like a klunky boat paddle to me in how they handle. AR10's are a boat anchor. Also, you never know from what direction a coyote may come in from. Often, you maybe forced to shoot on your "off" shoulder, don't be scared to do this. Swinging the gun with your strong arm is easy to do along with your point and shoot instinct.

22/250 AI(55g Sierra's, 55g Berger, and 60g Berger in a 12T) and 243 Win(60g Sierra, 80g Sierra bltiz bt) anchor coyotes hard at some yardage. NEVER think of coyote hunting and perfect broadside shots, as you hit them all over the body.

In a std 223 Rem bolt gun, the 55g Sierra blitz lead tip with a hot load of benchmark with a cci 450 is doing 3475 and massacres a coyote, 12-14T with short freebore. I killed a lot of coyotes in Az. with this load.

Try and not walk through where you are going to be hunting. Coyotes can smell your tracks from 10-15 feet away if you pumped gasoline in the same boots you walked out to your stand in. If you take two cans of sardines in oil, put them in a sock, now put that sock in a coffee can with a lid on it, you will have a fantastic attractant that will carry for hundreds of yards. Hang the sock out on a limb 4-5' off the ground. Check the law and make sure this is legal in your state.

We have killed a lot Doubles, lot of 4-7 on one stand, and once in Mexico, 4 of us killed 17 on one stand. So, a huge mistake is to think that your shot will scare them off, often they are so jacked up racing each other to the stand, never hearing the gun go off or confused in the direction of the gunshot.

Try to set up where you can see down wind, 2year old coyotes and up will often circle down wind trying to get a snoot full of what ever is making the calling sound or the predator that is in the process of eating that screaming prey. Coyotes are scared to death of each other, as they may encounter a coyote that is from another territory, and they do fight doing serious harm to each other.

Coyotes can spot the slightest movement, even if you are up in a tree. So, put reflective tape on your gun barrel, and if you are looking into the Sun, wear a face mask, even in a box stand. As you see a coyote, move your gun slowly and deliberately in the direction of the coyote. Don't shuffle your feet in the bottom of the box stand getting in the right position. Put carpet on the floor if you have to. The wrong chair in the box stand can wake up the dead trying to get it moved to where you can shoot. They can hear you unzip your coat at 200 yards.

Coyotes are some of the smartest animals you can ever hunt, assume nothing. Late July and early August will be your most productive months, kill everyone you see. When you shoot, start the stand all over again, cycle your rifle very quietly. If your ejected brass hits the plywood floor, it will sound like you are waking up the Dead.

If Bobcats are in season, kill them also. Bobcats take out a tremendous number of fawns every year. Coons will come to a call also, check your fish and game regulations.

There are very effective ways to kill the human scent if you are interested, we have used it for years with some really amazing results and experiences with game in the field.

Good luck!
 

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