Convince me that I DON'T Need a 22-250 Ackley Improved or 22 Creedmoor

[Jagermeister]

I have several 22/250 AI's and have only one complaint and I have all but solved that problem. The chambers are identical. and I can interchange ammo. I had trouble getting my loads fireformed, more than likely too light of loads. All I did to correct this problem was create a false shoulder by running a 6mm button into the case mouth until the bolt closed firmly when necking the case back to .224. I have a Custom 700 with a Douglas air gauge barrel and a factory Rem. 40X that was reamed out. I am thinking about selling the 40X because I don't like that much weight at 75 years old. It has a McMillan stock that was glass bedded by the gunsmith in CA. that chambered it. They are coyote killing machines and I have shot a few rock chucks with the 40X. I can't remember the exact grains of Vita N140 but I shoot the Sierra 55 SBT's or Blitzkings depending upon what rifle I am shooting. You can't go wrong with a 22/250 IMP.

 

[Rockchuck]

Give the 22/6mm ack with 1-8 twist a look see. The 22/250 ack is a good one. I have 2 22/6mm rifle one rem 700 lilja 3 groove shoots bugholes with 75 gr bergers other stiller 3 groove pacnor super match 30 in tube also shoots very good but heavy. My buddy has the 22/250 ack he loves it. Really you can't go wrong with 22/250 ack or 22 Creedmoor. But them ackleys sure look sexy with them sharp shoulders and long bullets.

 

[284winner]

Give the 22/6mm ack with 1-8 twist a look see. The 22/250 ack is a good one. I have 2 22/6mm rifle one rem 700 lilja 3 groove shoots bugholes with 75 gr bergers other stiller 3 groove pacnor super match 30 in tube also shoots very good but heavy. My buddy has the 22/250 ack he loves it. Really you can't go wrong with 22/250 ack or 22 Creedmoor. But them ackleys sure look sexy with them sharp shoulders and long bullets.

Absolutely. Hell, if for no other reason for building it, that sexy look is enough. When I saw the 22-284 with a 95 grain SMK loaded optimally, I realized it's my next Ackley cartridge. Sure it out performs my 22-250AI but looks so damn good, I have to own one. May only gain 150 fps but it's sure a sexy SOB.

 

[DLT]

22-250 ai

 

[Knifeman]

Build a 22 Creed. You won’t look back.

 

[DownWindPredatorControl]

I would get closer to the Coyotes;-)

 

[AckleymanII]

Hunting terrain varies, open spaces = lots of wind in the mid west. Thus the need for some major wind bucking ability.

22/250 AI and Creed probably tops out with a 75g, but I have shot the 60g Bergers at 3700 in my 12T 22/250 AI's with Win 760 and AA2700 which gives the best barrel life. A friend was shooting a 22/250 AI with 75g A max and his node with H4350 was at 3450 fps, and I think that this is reasonable.

I have heard some pretty high numbers with the 75 with the creed, but I am a doubting Thomas, small groups with speed is where I am at.

Real world numbers you can take to the bank, 22-6 Rem AI with 80g A max is 3650 and not use the full length sizer, 26". A friend that I trust runs these, and he is no BS'er.

22-243 AI with 75's are in the 3650 area, and if you use Lapua brass, you BETTER have a reamer set up for CIP spec because there is one heck of a difference between Win and Lapua web dimensions. I have helped a bunch of guys over the phone with is issue of Lapua brass in a chamber it was not set up for.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Hunting terrain varies, open spaces = lots of wind in the mid west. Thus the need for some major wind bucking ability.

22/250 AI and Creed probably tops out with a 75g, but I have shot the 60g Bergers at 3700 in my 12T 22/250 AI's with Win 760 and AA2700 which gives the best barrel life. A friend was shooting a 22/250 AI with 75g A max and his node with H4350 was at 3450 fps, and I think that this is reasonable.

I have heard some pretty high numbers with the 75 with the creed, but I am a doubting Thomas, small groups with speed is where I am at.

Real world numbers you can take to the bank, 22-6 Rem AI with 80g A max is 3650 and not use the full length sizer, 26". A friend that I trust runs these, and he is no BS'er.

22-243 AI with 75's are in the 3650 area, and if you use Lapua brass, you BETTER have a reamer set up for CIP spec because there is one heck of a difference between Win and Lapua web dimensions. I have helped a bunch of guys over the phone with is issue of Lapua brass in a chamber it was not set up for.

The 22xc R16 accuracy node in my 26 inch barrel with the Hornady 75 ELDM is right at 3330 fps. That is two grains down from pressure.

The 22 CM should hold two more grains of powder over a 22xc. That would put the pressure cap at 42 grains of H4350/R16 with the 75 and probably about 3650 fps. That is 243 territory.

I cannot imagine truly needing much more than that.

 

[AckleymanII]

Bradley, that 22 Creed is sounding real good....better than good! The EASY button for sure!

I wonder if a 60g V max would take the RPM of an 8T, if it would, it maybe the holy Grail of coyote cartridges for a guy wanting success without a lot of work.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Bradley, that 22 Creed is sounding real good....better than good! The EASY button for sure!

I wonder if a 60g V max would take the RPM of an 8T, if it would, it maybe the holy Grail of coyote cartridges for a guy wanting success without a lot of work.

I think the Hornady 75 eldm is the "holy grail".

Perfect for the obligatory 8 twist. Way better BC, way better at distance, and supposed to explode like a hand grenade.

And easy to find and cheap.

My guess is that the 75 ELDM will SMOKE a 60 grain flatback at any distances further than 250 yards. I think the BC is close to double and that flatback varmint bullet is going to be slowing down twice as fast.

 

[AckleymanII]

I agree. Most of my shots are shorter range 250 yds and under, I just like to shoot BIG holes in them killing them on the spot. If I hit a coyote on the walk, trot, or run back behind the diaphram, I want them to have a huge hole in them, shot in the hips taking their azz end off.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

On Windy Days in Idaho, I DITCH the .22-250 and grab my, 6 XC with, 95 grain, Classic, BTHP, Bergers !
On real Windy Days,.. I'll use, the 108 grain Elite Hunters.
That's WHY,.. I built a 6 XC,. L R, Coyote shootin' for colder, windier, Winter / Spring months.
My .22-250 has, the Dreaded, 1-14 Twist, so nothing over, 60 gr's "works" ( Perfect for Sage Rats to 200 Yds, tho ! )
The 6 mm XC gives me, Ranges from, 50 to 700 Yards ( Bullet dependent )
The Wind is almost always, a Blowin' a bit, here !

 

[TheOtherZilla]

You don't need one any more than I need a 220 swift..

 

[rickhirsch]

I agree get closer . and if you can't hit them with a 6x47 105 gr . no 22 caliber is going to be better !
i've kill hundreds coyotes most of them with 243 ackley 70gr nosler .out to 450yds. if you want to go
further. go big 6.5 7mm, extra. or maybe a big 6mm but they don't last long.

 

[B23]

I agree. Most of my shots are shorter range 250 yds and under, I just like to shoot BIG holes in them killing them on the spot. If I hit a coyote on the walk, trot, or run back behind the diaphram, I want them to have a huge hole in them, shot in the hips taking their azz end off.

I like the way you think. I've never been a pelt saver so when they have holes in their sides that are the size of a large grapefruit that is perfect. Big holes makes them more deader'er. My 6-284 shooting 75gr Vmax always makes me smile cause it leaves them with gaping holes, sometimes on both sides.