Converting Sighters to Record

[Hombre0321]

Guys this is a really mundane type of question, and I apologize for that, but this subject has come up recently and I want to clarify the answer. I "THINK" I am right in my understanding of this, but there are folks on here who I believe know the correct answer.

My understanding is this. lets "Assume" that in the 1st relay you are allowed 5 sighters ( that is an arbitrary number) and you are allowed in this match to convert sighters. I believe the rules state that you can shoot your two first sighter shots before you have to make a choice. That choice being if you want to take #1 and convert it to Record you must also take and convert #2 and there is no obtion in this case. If however you want to only take the #2 shot that is OK and you then proceed with the remaining shots of record and your sighter shots are finished at that point.

Now what if you continue shooting your sighter shots are any of them convertible after the shot has been fired? My belief is that no you can't, but you can end your sighter's at any point and go for score.

Now someone with some knowledge tell me the error of my ways...

Roland

 

[LHSmith]

What competitive format allows you to pick and choose which shots count?

 

[Hombre0321]

NRA Highpower which includes F-Class

 

[savageshooter86]

Interesting. I thought HP you had to declare "going for record"?

 

[simplerider]

Savageshooter86 is correct. In HP 1000yd for instance you will have unlimited sighters and twenty rounds for record in 20 minutes. Lets say you shoot 8 rounds for sighters and you are satisfied to start for your record shots, you must let your scorekeeper know that you are now shooting for record and he will start logging. After you state that you are shooting for record there are no more sighters. Your 8 sighter shots didn't count for anything, you cannot go back to sighting shots, you cant tell your scorekeeper to stop scoring. Your next 20 rounds are your score. None of your sighting shots are convertible.

If you are referring to Across the Course HP, you get 2 sighter shots per stage which will never be converted for score.

 

[280man]

Convertable sighters are limited to fullbore matches and always 2 that ive seen never 5 or unlimited

 

[dblinden]

Just to add on, Rick has it correct. Fullbore matches allow for two convertible sighters. Declaration occurs after the second shot. Options are to take both for record, the second only or none. Third shot will be for record regardless. There are only two sighters. No convertible sighters in other HP matches.

Dennis L

 

[simplerider]

Is Fullbore the same as Palma?

 

[alamo308]

Is Fullbore the same as Palma?

As I understand it (and I am very green newbie), the answer is no.
I understand the Palma course of fire is unlimited sighters at 800 yards, then you declare ready for record score, no more sighters, begin 15 record shots. Move to 900 yards, allowed two sighters and all following 15 are record shots. Move to 1000 yards, same drill as 900.
What I don't know is if you can shoot just one sighter at 900 or 1000, and if you're happy with that, start record scoring. (But I also don't know why you would want to do that. ...Maybe to catch a good wind condition?)

 

[XTR]

If you shoot international rules as we did at the FCWC in Raton this yr you get convertible sighters.

The format was a 1min blow off period into the berm with the targets down to foul your barrel on the first match of the day, then all matches had two convertible sighters.

You must announce that you wish to convert before you take your 3rd shot.
You may convert:
- Sighter #1 and sighter #2
- Sighter #2
- none

 

[XTR]

Is Fullbore the same as Palma?

No, full bore is fired under the IFCRA rules.

Here is a pretty good Palma discussion

 

[6BRinNZ]

If you shoot international rules as we did at the FCWC in Raton this yr you get convertible sighters.

You must announce that you wish to convert before you take your 3rd shot.
You may convert:
- Sighter #1 and sighter #2
- Sighter #2
- none

http://icfra.com/page4.htm

This is how it is in other countries that conform to these rules. Effectively the scoring shots must be a continuous string hence you cannot convert the first and ditch the second.
From what I can tell there are a few important distinctions between international and US rules for the disciplines.
As an aside we never get unlimited sighters even on club days and never a fouling shot/s.

F9.2. After a competitor has fired his second (or only) sighting shot, he may elect to count the sole
sighting shot, or the second sighting shot, or both when there have been two, in his score.
He must declare his intention to his register keeper BEFORE any further shot is fired by
him. In the absence of such declaration, he will be deemed NOT to have converted his
sighting shots. The register keeper is to acknowledge any conversions.

 

[mysticplayer]

for those coming to Canada to compete, we shoot with ICFRA rules so use the 2 shot convertible format. Process as already described.

Depending on the match, some will allow a blow off first relay of the entire match. Very rarely, you may get a blow off for first relay of EACH day (check format for each match).

If we have a 5 shot sighter on the first relay, these will not be convertible. Again, check with the match rules as this can vary.

It is imperative that the shooter declare what they want to do with the sighters BEFORE shot 3. If shot 3 is made without declaring, the sighters are void and you complete the required number of shots for the relay.

Jerry

 

[Immike]

Another curious rule in ICRFA team shooting that Mr Connor Murphy pointed out to me during the Raton match was that the 8 sighters for the team can be used on any shooter or (borrowed) from the other team members. They were not the converting sighters but 2 allowed for each. If one was needed from another teammate then it could be used leaving that person with only one. Maybe 280man (Rick Jensen)can clarify this for us.

 

[mysticplayer]

Not quite.

Under ICFRA EACH shooter has 2 convertible sighters. The format to choose or not choose as outlined before.

During team shooting, you may have 2 shooters per division on the line shooting. The order in which these shooters engage is entirely up to the Team coaches and as long as ALL shooting is completed in the TEAM time limit, all good.

So the coaches can choose to have the shooters shoot in whatever order they want BUT all shoots from each shooter goes towards that shooters score.

Example, 2 shooters are merrily shooting away and then all hell breaks loose. Wind coaches are lost and have no idea where to go. Instead of shooting more "scoring rds" from the shooters on the line, they can call up a new shooter and use their sighters to try and figure out what is going on.

Now when that "new" shooter comes back, whatever sighters have been shot and scored are done. So if 2 sighters were used in the example above, the next shot is for score regardless of order.

Of course, sighters can be converted per normal.

Another example, you have 2 shooters on the line. Shooter 1 starts with sighters and then their relay string. Shooter 2 just gets a nice sun tan or some sleep. Conditions go wonky and Shooter 2 is called to shoot.

Shooter 2 sends first sighter. maybe that is enough and shooter 2 can go back to sleep while shooter 1 completes relay.

Now shooter 2 is up with 1 sighter left. Shooter 3 replaces #1 and waits....

Jerry

 

[Heman]

Is Fullbore the same as Palma?

As I understand it (and I am very green newbie), the answer is no.
I understand the Palma course of fire is unlimited sighters at 800 yards, then you declare ready for record score, no more sighters, begin 15 record shots. Move to 900 yards, allowed two sighters and all following 15 are record shots. Move to 1000 yards, same drill as 900.
What I don't know is if you can shoot just one sighter at 900 or 1000, and if you're happy with that, start record scoring. (But I also don't know why you would want to do that. ...Maybe to catch a good wind condition?)

Yes if you want to go for record after 1 sighter you may or if you are feeling lucky and don't want to take any sighters and just go for it you can, idea of a Long Range leg match is interesting. One other differences between Palma and fullbore. Palma (US rules) there is no bullet weight limit in .22 or .30cal. In Fullbore there is a 82gr and 156gr bullet weight limit.