competition rifle triggers

[michaelnel]

I did manage to talk to someone who shoots all 3 of the triggers mentioned above and who sells two of the three.

Which two of the three does he sell? ;-)

 

[savageshooter86]

Ha he would sell any of them. Said they all are good. But the bix n andy is great. Just not sold on it being $200 better

All preference I guess

 

[michaelnel]

You said he sells 2 of the 3. Which 2? There are only 2 Bix'N Andy dealers in the USA that I know of.

 

[savageshooter86]

He doesn't sell that one. He has a Bix N Andy.

 

[JimPag]

When you touch off a trigger at 1.5 oz, there is NO difference in the weight, or feel. If you put 1.5 oz of corn in one hand, and 1.5 oz of rice in the other, you feel no difference in weight, because there is no difference. The difference between the make of trigger isn't going to make you a winner. As to competitors using Kelbly triggers, you need to look a little closer.

That is BS JRS! I did tell the difference between 2 triggers of the same pull weight in a test over a week ago and it was posted on Benchrest Central. If you read a post on Benchrest Central about B&A triggers. I did a blind fold test where I was blindfolded by my GF and I had 2 benchguns in front of me. One had a B&A trigger and the other was a MODIFIED Jewell. She moved them between pulls so I couldn't tell which rifle was sitting in the same spot, so he only thing I did was squeeze the trigger. They were both set at 1&1/2 oz. I did it 8 times. All 8 times I picked the Bix N' Andy trigger. So don't tell me that 2 triggers of the same adjusted weight will give you the same feel. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT I SHOOT AGAINST IN IBS SHORT RANGE COMPETITION SCORE SHOOTING THAT USES A KELBLY TRIGGER. And your right L H Smith, he must be lacking trigger time or his nerves in his fingers are screwed up with making a statement like that. MESSAGE TO SAVAGESHOOTER86. Call one of the 2 gunsmith's that I use, Dwight Scott from Michigan. He builds a lot of Tony Boyer's rifles. Ask him what he thinks. He'll tell u that the new Jewell's are garbage. He likes the older ones, but he say's that even after I work on one of the older ones, it doesn't even come close to the Bix N' Andy trigger. Ask Tony Boyer what he thinks. He'll tell you that he'll only use a B&A trigger. So what does that tell you? It only tells me that one of the best gunsmiths in America and the best benchrest shooter on the planet recognizes that there is no competition when it comes to triggers. The B&A wins hands down.

 

[JRS]

When you touch off a trigger at 1.5 oz, there is NO difference in the weight, or feel. If you put 1.5 oz of corn in one hand, and 1.5 oz of rice in the other, you feel no difference in weight, because there is no difference. The difference between the make of trigger isn't going to make you a winner. As to competitors using Kelbly triggers, you need to look a little closer.

That is BS JRS! I did tell the difference between 2 triggers of the same pull weight in a test over a week ago and it was posted on Benchrest Central. If you read a post on Benchrest Central about B&A triggers. I did a blind fold test where I was blindfolded by my GF and I had 2 benchguns in front of me. One had a B&A trigger and the other was a MODIFIED Jewell. She moved them between pulls so I couldn't tell which rifle was sitting in the same spot, so he only thing I did was squeeze the trigger. They were both set at 1&1/2 oz. I did it 8 times. All 8 times I picked the Bix N' Andy trigger. So don't tell me that 2 triggers of the same adjusted weight will give you the same feel. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT I SHOOT AGAINST IN IBS SHORT RANGE COMPETITION SCORE SHOOTING THAT USES A KELBLY TRIGGER. And your right L H Smith, he must be lacking trigger time or his nerves in his fingers are screwed up with making a statement like that. MESSAGE TO SAVAGESHOOTER86. Call one of the 2 gunsmith's that I use, Dwight Scott from Michigan. He builds a lot of Tony Boyer's rifles. Ask him what he thinks. He'll tell u that the new Jewell's are garbage. He likes the older ones, but he say's that even after I work on one of the older ones, it doesn't even come close to the Bix N' Andy trigger. Ask Tony Boyer what he thinks. He'll tell you that he'll only use a B&A trigger. So what does that tell you? It only tells me that one of the best gunsmiths in America and the best benchrest shooter on the planet recognizes that there is no competition when it comes to triggers. The B&A wins hands down.

Really Jim : You squeezed a 1.5oz trigger At 1.5oz, your finger does nothing more than touch the side of the trigger. This isn't meant as an argument Jim, just simple fact! Tony Boyer experiments with everything in creation, and can afford to!

 

[JimPag]

When you touch off a trigger at 1.5 oz, there is NO difference in the weight, or feel. If you put 1.5 oz of corn in one hand, and 1.5 oz of rice in the other, you feel no difference in weight, because there is no difference. The difference between the make of trigger isn't going to make you a winner. As to competitors using Kelbly triggers, you need to look a little closer.

That is BS JRS! I did tell the difference between 2 triggers of the same pull weight in a test over a week ago and it was posted on Benchrest Central. If you read a post on Benchrest Central about B&A triggers. I did a blind fold test where I was blindfolded by my GF and I had 2 benchguns in front of me. One had a B&A trigger and the other was a MODIFIED Jewell. She moved them between pulls so I couldn't tell which rifle was sitting in the same spot, so he only thing I did was squeeze the trigger. They were both set at 1&1/2 oz. I did it 8 times. All 8 times I picked the Bix N' Andy trigger. So don't tell me that 2 triggers of the same adjusted weight will give you the same feel. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT I SHOOT AGAINST IN IBS SHORT RANGE COMPETITION SCORE SHOOTING THAT USES A KELBLY TRIGGER. And your right L H Smith, he must be lacking trigger time or his nerves in his fingers are screwed up with making a statement like that. MESSAGE TO SAVAGESHOOTER86. Call one of the 2 gunsmith's that I use, Dwight Scott from Michigan. He builds a lot of Tony Boyer's rifles. Ask him what he thinks. He'll tell u that the new Jewell's are garbage. He likes the older ones, but he say's that even after I work on one of the older ones, it doesn't even come close to the Bix N' Andy trigger. Ask Tony Boyer what he thinks. He'll tell you that he'll only use a B&A trigger. So what does that tell you? It only tells me that one of the best gunsmiths in America and the best benchrest shooter on the planet recognizes that there is no competition when it comes to triggers. The B&A wins hands down.

Really Jim : You squeezed a 1.5oz trigger At 1.5oz, your finger does nothing more than touch the side of the trigger. This isn't meant as an argument Jim, just simple fact! Tony Boyer experiments with everything in creation, and can afford to!

Really. How can u say that a trigger finger just touches the side of the trigger. That's ridiculous. I want to know something, have you ever shot in a IBS sanctioned benchrest match or any other sanctioned bench match? The Bix N Andy breaks different at that weight than the Jewell. It is a lot smoother and my trigger finger can feel the difference and I proved it 8 times in a row. That statement you made about Tony Boyer, that was ridiculous also. So what if he can afford to experiment. He tried the Bix N' Andy trigger and now he wouldn't use nothing else. That just proves to me he knows a better trigger when he tried it and now uses it exclusively. Same with me, I'm no rich guy but I tried one and ended up with 5 of them, and when I build another new gun in 2016 I'll get a sixth one. Have you heard of Dean Breeden? Dean called me month's ago and said to me, Jim, I know you bought a bunch of those Bix N Andy triggers, are they really that much better than a Jewell? I said there is no comparison. I said if you buy one and try it and u don't like it, I will buy it back from you. He bought 2 of them and said there is no comparison from any other trigger that he ever owned and he's owned plenty of other brands that are out there. I'm not saying that the new trigger made him a better shooter, but when you just won your 4th IBS Score Shooter of the year title, you can make any brand of trigger work. We talked about the thread on Benchrest Central about triggers and what some of these guy's had to say about their Jewell triggers and he chuckled and said to me, THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL, referring to telling everybody why their Jewell trigger was so good, but never even saw or had fired a rifle with a B&A trigger in it. It just cracks me up about some people. I've seen guys waste more than $400.00 on useless stuff but they piss and moan about spending $400.00 for a great trigger.

 

[savageshooter86]

This will be Fopen rifle fired from the ground. Not sure that makes a difference in trigger selection. Will be down in the elements and dirt/grass


This thread wasn't meant to start an argument

 

[LHSmith]

[quote author=JimPag

I want to know something, have you ever shot in a IBS sanctioned benchrest match or any other sanctioned bench match?
[/quote]

He might now, he claims to be tooled up to dethrone the 6 PPC with a .22 Beggs now that he's moved back to the east coast. Watchout for him....I heard he's spending a lot of time at the Holiday Inn Express reading Boyer's and Ratigan's books. ;D

 

[JRS]

No Jim. This will be my first in IBS. My shooting on the West coast was NBRSA, along with the Jedi masters in the sport. No Holiday Inn for me LH ;D We have a very nice, big house 8) As for the Beggs, there is no reason why it can't surpass the PPC. The current small group record that surpassed the record which stood for 40 years, and shot by the 222 Remington, wasn't set by a PPC : was it LH

 

[JimPag]

No Jim. This will be my first in IBS. My shooting on the West coast was NBRSA, along with the Jedi masters in the sport. No Holiday Inn for me LH ;D We have a very nice, big house 8) As for the Beggs, there is no reason why it can't surpass the PPC. The current small group record that surpassed the record which stood for 40 years, and shot by the 222 Remington, wasn't set by a PPC : was it LH

I wish u well on your IBS endeavor JRS. What kind of rig do you own?

 

[LHSmith]

The current small group record that surpassed the record which stood for 40 years, and shot by the 222 Remington, wasn't set by a PPC : was it LH

What's this fixation with small group record (which at best can only be tied now)? The top competitors shoot small all day long ....that is where success is achieved in this game as evidenced by the way shooter points are earned.

 

[jrm850]

Seems like just pick one and not try others then will think you have a good trigger

Hahaha- I've been happy for 20 years with my old Jewell BR... until I read this thread.

 

[JimPag]

Seems like just pick one and not try others then will think you have a good trigger

Hahaha- I've been happy for 20 years with my old Jewell BR... until I read this thread.

There is a better mousetrap jrm850. The upward force on the top sear of the B&A is the lowest of all triggers. The consistency of the trigger break is within 0.03 of an ounce. The crisp break of the trigger is like no other. The Jewell's are old technology. Take apart a B&A and a Jewell and you can see the difference. Austrian craftsmanship at it best. It's like comparing a Lambroghini to a VW bug.

 

[JRS]

No Jim. This will be my first in IBS. My shooting on the West coast was NBRSA, along with the Jedi masters in the sport. No Holiday Inn for me LH ;D We have a very nice, big house 8) As for the Beggs, there is no reason why it can't surpass the PPC. The current small group record that surpassed the record which stood for 40 years, and shot by the 222 Remington, wasn't set by a PPC : was it LH

I wish u well on your IBS endeavor JRS. What kind of rig do you own?

Thanks Jim I have a couple completed, and a couple more in the works. Cigarcop (Keith) crafted a 220 Beggs LV for me for point blank competition. He will be crafting another for me for HV class chambered in 25BR. I have an Al Warner built long range gun ready to go, and will be using the SEB MAX for it. You can view the 220 Beggs under the 6BR and improved heading. Click on 6PPC slayer

 

[dogdude]

I tried a B&A trigger last weekend at a rimefire match and all I can say is WOW!!! 15 yrs with Jewell's 2-6oz (own 6) and my opinion is like JimPag's, Chevette vs Corvette!! B&A here I come!

 

[JimPag]

I tried a B&A trigger last weekend at a rimefire match and all I can say is WOW!!! 15 yrs with Jewell's 2-6oz (own 6) and my opinion is like JimPag's, Chevette vs Corvette!! B&A here I come!

Ya dogdude. A lot of the rimfire guy's have been changing over to the B&A triggers. Once you try one, your hooked BIG TIME! The way I see it, I paid for my first one at full price, $395.00 plus $6.00 shipping from Dwight Scott when he built my newest rifle. The other 4 rifles that I own, I bought used and they all had Jewells. I sold the 4 Jewells between $180 and $195.00 each. So I paid a little over $200.00 each for the other 4 B&A triggers that I bought.

 

[ridgeway]

The B&A is surely a nice trigger. You can definitely tell the difference between a Kelbly and especially a Jewel. By all means, the Kelbly is no slouch. The thing about the B&A is the way it breaks....its almost you can't feel it. It might not be a trigger for everyone. Cant go wrong with either the B&A or Kelbly. The B&A is $$$$. Try one first if you can...let YOUR finger decide!

 

[JimPag]

The B&A is surely a nice trigger. You can definitely tell the difference between a Kelbly and especially a Jewel. By all means, the Kelbly is no slouch. The thing about the B&A is the way it breaks....its almost you can't feel it. It might not be a trigger for everyone. Cant go wrong with either the B&A or Kelbly. The B&A is $$$$. Try one first if you can...let YOUR finger decide!

That's what I've been trying to tell some of these guy out here Chuck that don't believe it. You can feel the difference.

 

[jrm850]

Seems like just pick one and not try others then will think you have a good trigger

Hahaha- I've been happy for 20 years with my old Jewell BR... until I read this thread.

There is a better mousetrap jrm850. The upward force on the top sear of the B&A is the lowest of all triggers. The consistency of the trigger break is within 0.03 of an ounce. The crisp break of the trigger is like no other. The Jewell's are old technology. Take apart a B&A and a Jewell and you can see the difference. Austrian craftsmanship at it best. It's like comparing a Lambroghini to a VW bug.

I don't know when I will get a chance to try a B&A, but I am certainly looking forward to the experience. The pics I see online look like it's a well built piece of equipment. The Cost is hard for me to get over though; I very recently have a 14year boy and an 11year girl who have decided that they like F class and need their own rifles built. I'm going to have to start printing money or something.