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Competition Cartridges Part Three

Competition Cartridge Article,Parts 1-4): http://www.6mmbr.com/compcartridges.html

There wasn't much response to part 1 and 2 but I'll try one more. These threads take a lot of time to put together so if no one is interested I'll quit right here.

While no shooter can prove that one degree of neck tension is superior to another, all will agree that round-to-round uniformity is vital to supreme accuracy. Such uniformity is usually achieved by reaming or turning case neck walls to a consistent thickness and then using a sizing die that will result in the individual shooter�s concept of ideal neck tightness, or looseness. Other methods, such as closely fitting the case neck to the chamber, which results in no expansion upon firing, have been tried with varying degrees of success. One shooter resolved the problem to his own satisfaction simply by using a single, carefully prepared cartridge case, reloading it at the bench for each shot. It worked after a fashion but wasn�t too practical, especially when the time allotted to fire a group began to run out.

Years ago several Benchrest shooters used what is called a stepped neck. A stepped neck case is a specially prepared cartridge case that is closely fitted and matched to the individual rifle and is not interchangeable with other rifles. First, very precise measurements of the chamber, bullet, and neck diameter of the cartridge case are taken. After calculating the proper dimensions, the outside diameter of a new case neck is reduced, but only to the point on the neck where it is determined the base of a loaded bullet should be. The case is then loaded and fire-formed. When the neck expands to fit the chamber walls, it reverses the outside turning process and creates a step inside the neck for the bullet to sit on. To load the case, the fired primer is knocked out, a new primer seated, a powder charge is thrown, and the bullet slipped into the case with the fingers. Voila! No neck tension means uniformity to the nth degree.

Identifying a stepped neck case takes only a few seconds. Look for a very slight ring on the outside of the neck between the shoulder and mouth. This is the last vestige of the place where the outside neck turning was stopped. The step may or may not be visible inside the neck but can usually be felt with a sharp pencil point. Inserting a flat-base bullet of the proper caliber should result in the bullet sliding smoothly into the case and then stopping at the location of the step.

Those shown here were all used in competition. On the left is a 308W case with a new shoulder partially formed and the neck outside turned, ready for fire-forming. Next to it is the completed case with a stepped neck, a .30 x 50 Improved,.308W shortened to 50mm with a 40-degree shoulder). Next is a .23-40,.223 Remington with a 40-degree shoulder) with a stepped neck. On the right is a very unusual benchrest cartridge. It is a .22BR Short,1.390" CL) with the rim lathe-turned to .222 Remington dimensions, and a stepped neck. Like most benchrest shooters, the users of these three cartridges hedged their bets and combined the stepped neck with other changes in case shape and dimensions.

Stepped neck cases worked exactly as intended but are never seen on the firing line today. Shooters learned that the time and labor to prepare such cases seldom, if ever, resulted in accuracy gains over the simpler methods of controlling neck tension. They are, nonetheless, a unique part of benchrest and unless identified and preserved will soon be lost to history.
 

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Ray,

I for one read all your posts and I am very interested in what you have to offer.

I find it interesting how often the new shooters forget that most everything has been tried, just run something by a shooter that has been around the block a few times, they have a wealth of knowledge. And like you, most are more than willing to share, if you are willing to listen.

As for your postings, please don't stop.

In my late teens and early 20's I was fortunate enough to shoot with some guys that started reloading in the 30's. They shot alot of long range matchs in their day. When they spoke, I LISTENED.

One old timer that i shot with, Elmer Shook, showed up at the range with what he called a 308 x 1 1/2..... Humm 308 case shortened to inch and a half.... Interesting concept, wonder if it would work......LOL Keep in mind this was around 1975-76.....

By the way, I am still looking for those old PPC cases I have, their just burried.....


Randy
 
Ray - I'll second that, keep posting. I enjoy reading all the posts, particularly those dealing with 100/200 Benchrest and it's history.

If I don't post a response, it's only because I'm soaking up the info and don't have anything to add, being a Benchrest novice.

Thanks,
Jerry
 
Lynn

Good advice. I'll ask Paul what it would take to move them. I suppose I just assumed that everyone was like me. I open any "New Posts" and don't pay too much attention to the Forum title since many guys post on the wrong Forum,like me).

Ray
 
Ray,

Keep it up. I think your threads have been very informative.

I can't merge threads,unfortunately), but I CAN move threads to a different forum if that will help.

Also, I think the threads can be combined into one feature article I can put up on the home page at some point.

Mod
 
Ray,

Got your message, and here are the three sections built out as a web page:

http://www.6mmbr.com/compcartridges.html
 
Ray, As one of the "more senior" members, my motto is I will never stop learning until the lid is nailed shut. Your informative posts are to be commended as straight, good and accurate information. Well done, Son, and keep it flowing. With thanks, Overbore
 
It's been a long time since anyone called me "son". What I hear nowadays goes more like, "great-grandpa tell me about when you were a kid."

Thanks to all for the kind remarks. I shall continue. I have a lot more to share with you.

Ray
 
Ray -- agreed...keep it coming...good historical info to have around ;) Not much else one can say after you post everything pertinent :D

JB :thumb:
 
Ramsh00ter said:
Ray,

I for one read all your posts and I am very interested in what you have to offer.

I find it interesting how often the new shooters forget that most everything has been tried, just run something by a shooter that has been around the block a few times, they have a wealth of knowledge. And like you, most are more than willing to share, if you are willing to listen.

As for your postings, please don't stop.

Randy

I completely agree with Randy. I am new to the benchrest idea and still tring to learn enough to figure out what questions I have. I enjoy your posts because by looking into the past we can see how we are at the present.

Thanks and please keep it up.

Todd
 
lynn said:
Cheechako
This is a little bit off topic but did you get the 510 DTC brass and if yes did it have the sharp shoulder or the radiused shoulder? I finaly got mine and it has the sharp shoulder.Also are you planning on shooting 50 BMG this coming year with Tom Price? I have seen posts by you on another forum that requires you to join the association in order to post.
Lynn

Lynn

I can't find your e-mail address so -

I gave up trying to get a DTC case from you-know-who. So I phoned Tom at EDM and he sent me a chamber print and a fire-formed case. It has sharp shoulders as far as I can tell but, of course, it's the only one I have ever seen so i wouldn't know otherwise. No, I won't be shooting the big boomer, at least this year. I have to get ready for the 1000 yard nationals,new barrel) and the 600 yard next year,new cartridge). I don't think Tom P has been shooting the 50. He hasn't gone to Raton in several years and I think he has lost interest.

BTW, I may do one of these "Competition Cartridge" threads on the 50BMG. What do you think? I have about 5 or 6 cartridges I could show.

Ray
 
Jason,,,I understand you won the over-all Heavy Class in the World Open using a straight 6BR....Tell us about it, conditions, loads, gun, etc......I will always be amazed at what one can accomplish with a BR.
Larry Isenhour
By the way------CONGRADULATIONS,,,,,,Great shooting!!!!
 
waterdog said:
Jason,,,I understand you won the over-all Heavy Class in the World Open using a straight 6BR....Tell us about it, conditions, loads, gun, etc......I will always be amazed at what one can accomplish with a BR.
Larry Isenhour
By the way------CONGRATULATIONS,,,,,,Great shooting!!!!

We're planning to do a Gun of the Week story ASAP on Jason's gun. It's his plain vanilla Varmint Match gun. Plain 6BR, no-turn neck, no case prep other than chamfering the neck. Stiller Diamondback ss action, Richard's LowRider stock, Broughton 5C barrel. Load was "a LOT" of RL15 and CR 106s.
 

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