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Colorado is an antigun state.

A Brown Bess musket, spencer repeating rifle, a trapdoor springfield, a m98 mauser were all "assault rifles" in their day representing state of the art infantry technology for a period of time.
I totally agree with you. The concerning thing for any honest American to consider is
First: the laws needed for the streets of any dense urban area are not the same as those needed in Wyoming for example.
Second: A few maybe just a very few men today can carry as much firepower as George Washington's entire army.
Third: If all men were honest and fair minded (Cicero was on to something) there would be little need for laws because laws do not change the behavior of the gun, they can only affect human behavior.
 
So painting a gun pink is BAD- is that only when a gun manufacturer does it or how about when a benchrest shooter does it? Please explain why that it is "BAD" that a gun is pink/purple/whatever especially if it is OK in some circumstances but not others. Is the pastel firearm intrinsically worse than a 1800's colt with shiny nickel plating and mother of pearl grips made by some well heeled gent of that time whose esthetics do not agree with mine?

I am still perplexed on how you blame the gun industry and would love to have you articulate how they are at fault.
You may be into fashion shows, I'm not. I'm going to leave this right here. I'm not arguing for fun and I'm not saying you shouldn't have a pink gun either. However I do doubt there ever was much demand for that first pink gun. Have a good day.
 
I totally agree with you. The concerning thing for any honest American to consider is
First: the laws needed for the streets of any dense urban area are not the same as those needed in Wyoming for example.
Second: A few maybe just a very few men today can carry as much firepower as George Washington's entire army.
Third: If all men were honest and fair minded (Cicero was on to something) there would be little need for laws because laws do not change the behavior of the gun, they can only affect human behavior.
To your second point:
GEORGE WASHINGTON leased WARSHIPS to build a navy . In his time the nascent government did not have the firepower of the wealthy individual....
 
You may be into fashion shows, I'm not. I'm going to leave this right here. I'm not arguing for fun and I'm not saying you shouldn't have a pink gun either. However I do doubt there ever was much demand for that first pink gun. Have a good day.
First, I challenge you to look at the guns of the week on this websites homepage in regards to what others have colored their firearm.

I find it odd that you went straight to the statement " You may be into fashion shows, I'm not.".

Discourse on firearms is often clouded by emotion-on all sides. The challenge that you and I both have is critically evaluating if our emotions and bias is obsfucating our ability to understand the others point.!

Is your sole articulated complaint against the gun industry that the generated the first "FASHION SHOW" firearm?
 
Second: A few maybe just a very few men today can carry as much firepower as George Washington's entire army

I totally agree with you. The concerning thing for any honest American to consider is
First: the laws needed for the streets of any dense urban area are not the same as those needed in Wyoming for example.
Second: A few maybe just a very few men today can carry as much firepower as George Washington's entire army.
Third: If all men were honest and fair minded (Cicero was on to something) there would be little need for laws because laws do not change the behavior of the gun, they can only affect human behavior.
Let's revisit the hyperbole of #2 with a little historical reflection. The continental army was approx 48,000 men at any one time. A trained soldier was expected to fire 3 shots a minute = 144,000 rounds per minute. By the advent of the Springfield trapdoor the rounds per minute a competent soldier could be expected to fire was approaching 10 per minute. As the bolt action reigned Supreme the number of rounds in a mad minute a average trooper could be expected to fire was more like 15, with skilled Rifleman over 20 and records ranging in the 30's (for hits on a 300yd target) .


If you were referring to a few men carrying the same firepower as the continental army as 48 guys carrying dillon M134's, cool, we can agree otherwise help me understand what you are saying. Either way please elaborate on if you think that modern firearms need to be restricted due to having more "firepower" than their historical antecedents
 
dellet you stated above: "President Johnson a firm supporter for civil rights, when pressed why he, a Texan, supported the movement famously referred to using welfare to secure the black vote for something like the next 150 years. The politically motivated destruction of the American family has officially begun." This is absolute BS you have fell for.

This is a I think a good example of how people remember things to suit their wants, a common thing these days. Here is what you are referring to I believe: "This act flows from a clear and simple wrong. Its only purpose is to right that wrong. Millions of Americans are denied the right to vote because of their color. This law will ensure them the right to vote. The wrong is one which no American, in his heart, can justify. The right is one which no American, true to our principles, can deny." https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...tol-rotunda-the-signing-the-voting-rights-act
The quote I alluded to is quite controversial, as it can not proven without a doubt. There are many throughout history.
If you search his time in political office and before, the examples are countless of his true feelings towards blacks. What is indisputable is that Johnson was a well known racist that could put it aside for political gain, as long as that gain lined his pocket or increased his power. Of course anything could be taken out of context. Just because there is a photograph of him holding up a dog by the ears, doesn’t mean he wasn’t a dog lover. He was.

A clear example of his public and private views colliding was the signing of the voting rights act. To his credit he signed it, of course it had veto proof support and he was worried about his public image. In truth, southern democrat support, his legacy, overwhelmingly voted against the right to vote, and not really in favor of the civil rights act. It seems Democrat’s of the time we’re willing to concede blacks needed rights, but did not deserve to vote.

As for journalistic coverage of war, it’s been all down hill from here. Culminating with one noted example of drawing out and publishing troop movements in the sand. Before they started out.

You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war.
William Randolph Hearst to staff photographer Spanish American war.

Earlier you seemed to agree that excessive media, though computers and internet contributed to the actions of today’s youth. That all started, again, 1965-66. With televised news of the Vietnam war nightly and in color.

It’s a well known fact that multiple witnesses to the same event will have different testimony as to what happened. This is perfectly normal. When you then move to the cause of the same disputed event, it becomes emotional, not factual. This is where a well balanced discussion is a positive thing. That’s when minds can be opened and changed. Note some of the comments here about our discussion.

It seems that 1965-66 were pivotal years for the United States and not really for the better. It’s fair to ask, who was making policy at the time? Who was writing the laws at the same time?

Edit to add

If one is to look at divorce rates, children without fathers in the home, welfare distribution from post war to today, there is no denying it is a factor in the decline of the American family unit. It affected the black family the earliest and the hardest.
 
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The public shooting range in Basalt has video cameras at the entrance, the parking lot, and all the benches, video is stored forever, accessible to "all law enforcement".
'Cause that's where the crime is happening -- at the shooting ranges. SMH...

Jeff
 
The quote I alluded to is quite controversial, as it can not proven without a doubt." Then why use it? Why quote if you can't quote it? That sure seems like misdirection to me.
 
"It seems that 1965-66 were pivotal years for the United States and not really for the better. It’s fair to ask, who was making policy at the time? Who was writing the laws at the same time?"
Exactly! Assuring regardless of race, or creed Americans have the same rights caused a mighty uproar! That is a great example of what my daughter says, "When you are use to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
 
The quote I alluded to is quite controversial, as it can not proven without a doubt." Then why use it? Why quote if you can't quote it? That sure seems like misdirection to me.
It simply allows you to do you’re own research into the racist ramblings of a man who was able to see the value of being one person in private, and another in public.

"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".

While the last line is often disputed, the rest is not. It’s from a single source biography that is in general reliable.

Maybe we should look at some verified quotes of his opinion of the civil rights act while in Congress?
 
"It seems that 1965-66 were pivotal years for the United States and not really for the better. It’s fair to ask, who was making policy at the time? Who was writing the laws at the same time?"
Exactly! Assuring regardless of race, or creed Americans have the same rights caused a mighty uproar! That is a great example of what my daughter says, "When you are use to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
Exactly and thank God that the liberal majority of the house and senate of the time did not succeed in tanking both the civil rights and voting acts.

Roughly 40% of democrats voted against the civil rights act in the house, and 31% in the senate. It was a bipartisan effort, but clearly given the control of both house and senate by the Democrats at the time, it was not a cause they were championing.

Voting On the right to vote was similar.

The only reason both acts were passed was due to the overwhelming number of Democrats who did not vote at all. Likely worried about political blow back.
 
I understand the new law is on purchases, what about ownership?
Ownership/possession is still allowed under this new law. It outlaws Purchase, transfer, or manufacture of gas operated semi autos that take a detachable magazine unless a state approved training class is taken and a permission slip is given by your county sheriff.

Banning possession or ownership will come in a few years when the just passed law does nothing to stop mass shootings or lower crime rates.
 
"It seems that 1965-66 were pivotal years for the United States and not really for the better. It’s fair to ask, who was making policy at the time? Who was writing the laws at the same time?"
Exactly! Assuring regardless of race, or creed Americans have the same rights caused a mighty uproar! That is a great example of what my daughter says, "When you are use to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

The quote of your daughter's, sounds a little woke to me. So called equality, to me seems to be more like special or preferential treatment.

Colorado banned sales of magazines over 15 rounds back in 2013. There was a quote in the Aspen Times by the sheriff of the time. Stating that it wasn't like they were going to go out knocking on doors to take away high capacity magazines, I thought that was probably a good idea as the law did not make posession illegal. I personally bought a bunch of mags before the ban went into effect, in fact mags for guns I didn't even own.
Magpul was based in Colorado at the time, Boulder of all places. They packed up and left, taking 600 jobs with them as I recall. Boycotting Colorado is fine with me, I think the place is long past its prime. If it hurts conservatives / gun owners that are still there, too bad, maybe they should leave.
 
The quote of your daughter's, sounds a little woke to me. So called equality, to me seems to be more like special or preferential treatment.

Colorado banned sales of magazines over 15 rounds back in 2013. There was a quote in the Aspen Times by the sheriff of the time. Stating that it wasn't like they were going to go out knocking on doors to take away high capacity magazines, I thought that was probably a good idea as the law did not make posession illegal. I personally bought a bunch of mags before the ban went into effect, in fact mags for guns I didn't even own.
Magpul was based in Colorado at the time, Boulder of all places. They packed up and left, taking 600 jobs with them as I recall. Boycotting Colorado is fine with me, I think the place is long past its prime. If it hurts conservatives / gun owners that are still there, too bad, maybe they should leave.
It probably is woke but that is not as detrimental as you may think since woke means awareness of racial prejudice and discrimination. Look it up! Only a complete imbecile or racist to the extreme would think that to be bad or non-applicable to America in a historical sense. I beg people to read Columbus's journal but they mostly will not do that since it does burst a lot of ignorant narratives that circulate today. After college my daughter volunteered for wildfire fighter work for three years in the western USA. I paid 75% of her undergrad education and told her she had to invest the rest in her future! She carried and used chainsaws twice the size I have and has put in 40 hour days, and I work in the forests of Kentucky. She paid for her post graduate education until the university took note of her building resume when they then gave her a full ride for the rest of her education based strictly on her past performance and building resume combining education with hard ass work!. She got her masters and has spent her life helping others by volunteering and a career with FEMA where she is now a director. At the age of 21 she was charged with housing all the workers rebuilding New Orleans after Katrina. You sir will have a very hard time in any effort to diminish her as an American, a firefighter, a woman, a Christian, or even a remarkably intelligent, caring, and educated human being. Maybe being woke ain't the bad thing you think it is. Have a day of reflection my friend.
 

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