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COL confusion

Just started reloading and am as confused as Joe Biden!!! The first few loading sessions have gone smoothly but I was loading to the COL SAAMI length because I thought that was a standard length to fit per the caliber and was a SAFE length that the factories use. I have now noticed in my Hornady book that there is a different COL recommendation for each size/wgt category of bullets listed at the top of the loading info. I have not started dealing with chasing the lands yet because I am still getting comfortable with the load procedures at this point. When you start chasing the lands do you ignore the book recommendation? And I have noticed when I do go by manufacturers COL I end up right at the cannelure. Is this necessary and how can it be done if you are moving the bullet in and out to adjust jump and relative land position? I am loading for several calibers and they all have deviations according to bullet size.
Thanks for your help
 
If I understand your questions, cartridge overall length (COAL - loaded length) can and will vary under a multitude of conditions - magazine length, throat, favored distance from lands for accuracy and etc.
Loading to the listed COAL will quite often result in loading to the cannelure for crimping use, but that is seldom necessary unless you are fighting bullet movement from very heavy recoiling rifles. Case neck tension is plenty to hold the bullet in most instances. You can safely ignore the listed COAL (within reason) as long as the bullet isn't pushed into the case and reducing powder capacity, or jammed into the rifling and raising pressure.
I pay virtually no attention to listed COAL and load to what fits, functions and shoots the best for each appropriate rifle.
 
Each brand/weight/bullet shape could/will have a different coal (cartridge over all length). The individual firearm chamber( and magazine length) dictates what the max length is FOR THAT firearm. Hopefully the chamber is between minimum and maximum SAAMI spec. Find load data for the exact bullet you are using, and use that data, until you have the equipment and knowledge to measure the cartridge base to ogive(of bullet) cbto. Loading too short or too long both have effects on performance and safety and are for reloaders with experience. ALWAYS start low and work up(load data min and max charge weights).
 
Just started reloading and am as confused as Joe Biden!!! The first few loading sessions have gone smoothly but I was loading to the COL SAAMI length because I thought that was a standard length to fit per the caliber and was a SAFE length that the factories use. I have now noticed in my Hornady book that there is a different COL recommendation for each size/wgt category of bullets listed at the top of the loading info. I have not started dealing with chasing the lands yet because I am still getting comfortable with the load procedures at this point. When you start chasing the lands do you ignore the book recommendation? And I have noticed when I do go by manufacturers COL I end up right at the cannelure. Is this necessary and how can it be done if you are moving the bullet in and out to adjust jump and relative land position? I am loading for several calibers and they all have deviations according to bullet size.
Thanks for your help
You didn't say what types of guns you're reloading for (e.g. Bolt Action, AR's, other semi-autos, combination of them), as responses for each can be quite different one from the other. . . ???

First, I'd recommend you don't get in the habit of thinking in terms of jump. While it's good to know just where the the lands is, that distance is just most useful so that you don't load your cartridges to touching the lands, which can cause a huge pressure problem. If you're only feeding from a mag, then going to be a non-issue in factory guns built to SAAMI specs. Rather than thinking in terms of jump, think in terms of seating depths. You definitely don't want to be "chasing the lands" in any way.

When you're "moving the bullet in and out", you're changing the seating depth, which is what has a much greater effect on your load performance than the distance to the lands. This is easy to understand as you see your chamber's throats erode over time, which means you distance to the lands is always growing in length, yet your good load's performance continues.

So, the answer to your questions is that you NEVER "chase the lands", though you may at some point change your seating depth when you see your precision/accuracy on paper changing in order to bring it back. What seating depth you eventually use for best performance will depend on various factors, like the particular bullet you're using along with powder, brand of case you're using, how tight the bullet is being held by the neck of the case ("neck tension"), temperature, etc.

Keep in mind that "seating depth" is how far the base of the bullet is from the base of the case, which determines the volume the expanding powder burn gets to work in. Different bullets have different dimension so their OAL effects both distance to the lands as well as their seating depths. Even though a bullet's OAL often have significant variance, reference to the COAL's is the best way to comminate one's seating depth. Because different chambers are different sizes along with various throat erosion and that the caliber inserts used to measure jump have significant variations in their measurements, it's best not to communicate the jump you might have as it's just won't really tell anyone anything what your seating depth is like or even your COAL.

When one starts reloading, it's a very good idea to load within the SAAMI COAL specs and work up a powder load that performs best. If you then want to experiment with seating depths, one can start a little longer to work up a powder charge so that there's room for shorter seating depths without being concerned over compressing the powder charge.

Since you're just staring to reload, I'd highly recommend you seek out a mentor who's a well experienced reloader. Such a mentor will shorten your learning curve, saving you time and components as you learn what works well for you. You can find them at a range or club where you shoot, just don't by shy as there are many experience shooter more than willing to be of help (much like you see in this forum).
 
For now while you are in the early learning stages of hand loading you would be best served as mentioned above to load by those SAMMI SPECS. Get a good foundation established and build upon it as you progress forward. Hand loading can be rewarding in several ways but a disaster can lurk in the shadows if the proper info (SAFETY FIRST) is not gathered right from the start. All of the variations from the foundational knowledge can come later as you build that knowledge base.

One rule works - NEVER CONTINUE FORWARD IF A QUESTION ARISES CONCERNING SAFETY WITHOUT GETTING HELP.
 
Depending on the rifle, in particular if it's a factory model like a Rem 700 or some others you may not be able to chase the lands (bad idea). Manufacturers often change the freebore of the chamber, making it longer to reduce throat erosion. The different COAL dimensions you mentioned are governed by two dimensions, that being the maximum length of the cartridge given by SAAMI and maintaining enough bullet in the case neck to ensure sufficient neck tension and support for chambering (normally considered to be one caliber (one bullet diameter). This is why you will typically see light for caliber bullets seated shorter than heavier for caliber bullets.

As for SAAMI, understand that they provide essentially two sets of dimensions, one is the maximum cartridge dimensions, and the other is minimum chamber dimensions. The purpose is two fold. The first is to standardize pressures so than ammunition so constructed and tested will be safe in all rifles, and secondly to insure that manufactured rounds will chamber in all rifles. SAAMI permits changes to dimensions given as long as they will not increase the pressure of SAAMI tested ammunition.

SAAMI is thrown around a lot on forums, quite often by those who have never read the Standards or fail to understand them. If you are going to reload, it's a good idea to read them and understand them. You can find them at:

https://saami.org/technical-information/ansi-saami-standards/
 
I would not worry about chasing the lands but I still like to know approx. how far I am especially using a bolt action because it’s so easy to do. But I will check on a semi auto also. Ill generally size and then split a case neck where a bullet will slide in with a little force. Or better yet partial size it with a Lee collet die. Either works. You don’t want the bullet to be able to easily slide back out when opening the bolt Or you won’t get a true reading And you’ll have a bullet you must remove from the barrel. But you should be able to grab it gently with pliers and move it back out With a little force when you reset to take multiple readings. Then either smoke the bullet with a candle flame or color it with a sharpie. Dummy round of course, no primer, no powder. Just barely start the bullet into the neck then very gently close the bolt on the round. Then very easily open the bolt and measure the overall length of the bullet. You can see land marks and tell if the bullet slid back out slightly on opening Because of the smoked or blackened bullet. Do this 5 to 10 times and you’ll have a good idea what your jammed over all length is. Then back off .020 or to the cannelure or wherever you like but at least you will know your distance to the lands with that particular bullet. I’ve just always thought it was very useful information to know.
If your bullet has a cannelure spaced for the caliber you are shooting, seating to the cannelure can work very well. Especially if you need to crimp to keep bullets from moving under recoil. I rarely crimp rifle bullets but always either taper crimp or use a factory crimp die on pistol loads like 45 acp and 45LC. Some bullets like 300 grain speer for my 45LC, will have two cannelures. Or if you have a 6.8/.277 120 sst and load to cannelure in a 270 case, you’ll have an awful lot of jump and a whole lot of bullet in the neck because that cannelure is for 6.8spc.
Every bullet will be different due to a different ogive shape, even if only slightly.
With my 700 308 varmint. I can’t get close to the lands even with an extended box magazine. I can only get there by single loading but I get decent accuracy at mag length. I have no intentions to single load.
There are other tools and less archaic methods of finding coal to the lands but this has worked for me and many others for many years. I always fine tune seating depth as the last part of load workup to find the sweet spot so to me knowing that distance to the lands is certainly not a bad thing.
 
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All of my rifles are bolt action but one. I have been doing some ladder testing with my
6 mm creed, 270 and 6.5 Creed. I am looking both at hunting loads and target loads. Just to be clear, I have no interest in “chasing the lands” as I have had very good luck so far finding accurate loads just with bullet selection and powder adjustment. This does add another variable to take into account when trying to work up accurate loads!‍‍
Thanks for all of the feedback!!
 
Can’t blame you. I’ve never had to get any closer than .010 off to shoot well and my most recent rifle landed at about .0175 off. I have no intentions of shooting jammed bullets or right on the edge for what I do. But I do like to know approximately where I am.
 

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