CNC rem 700 actions quality?
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butchlambert
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The receivers are machined a lot better than the older ones. A lot of them are shipped with improper bolt timing.
The few I've done seem to have better lug engagement and alignment, but the threads are way off from being concentric with the bolt raceway. One was over 10 thou out of line. Timing, as Butch mentioned, is way out; there's almost no primary extraction. You'll definitely want to re-time the handle, or better yet, get a PTG handle and solder or TIG it on. The bolt handles themselves are a different design from previous runs. I don't know why and don't know how they could have thought these were somehow better.
AckleymanII
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www.ACCU-TIG.com will do a wonderful job of re timing the bolt handle, world class guy to help you out, you will NOT regret spending the money. 907-457-4259 in AK
He has done 6 for me, supurb work.
I have custom barrels on a few new RR actions, stainless and blue, they shoot like a house a fire, (2) 6 Dashers, 6 XC, 6 BRX, none trued.
He has done 6 for me, supurb work.
I have custom barrels on a few new RR actions, stainless and blue, they shoot like a house a fire, (2) 6 Dashers, 6 XC, 6 BRX, none trued.
butchlambert
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+1 for Dan at Accu-Tig
yall are so correct on the timing
there is zero primary extraction on this one
and the serial # starts with RR
im off to a bad start!!!
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AckleymanII
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I put them in nice solid stocks of one kind or another, stress free pilar bedding, custom barrel, jewel triggers, good scope(kinda).
No action trueing of any kind...I got lucky. I got Dan to remove and time the bolts...money well spent.
RR Actions are not supposed to be that good, but mine shoot bug holes with good bbl.'s, stocks, triggers on them. I wanted to put them to a test with all the negative talk I hear, but the laws of probability will catch up to me sooner or later.
Specifically, when I can shoot groups in the low 2's, I am happy for a varmint rifle. I usually have an 8-32 or 10x50 scope on them of sorts. I shoot three shot groups, looking for tiny groups below .250, and atmospheric conditions will whip you more often than not. I hung a 31" unturned blank off one of the RR SS actionsin 6XC II, shooting palma brass it shot a lot of the smallest groups I have shot back to back in a long time with a leupold 36 on it.
I have had a lot of Hall M's, and Stolle Panda's which I really love. It feels real good doing great with lesser equipment. I have come full circle from being an all custom type guy. I kinda enjoy getting lesser equipment to shoot tiny groups, and working the crossword puzzle that goes with the "less than perfect" equipment.
I put a Hart 14 T on a tang safety Ruger 77(junk), put it in a McMillen Hunter class stock, tuned the trigger, caliber zero freebore turn neck 243 AI. First time to the range, fire forming brass in the 3's, formed brass in the low 2's with my own 70g Low drag bullet on a .900 jacket. Took me a while to digest that all I had heard had been wrong(rugers are no supposed to shoot tiny groups).
Next attempt was a Shilen 12T, heavy varmint, on a Mauser Parker Hale(mauser), in the Parker Hale varmint stock, zero freebore 6 Remington. First time to the range, I shot three groups in the 2's with Berger 62's at 4000 fps. A benchrest pal was with me, he shot it, and just stood back from the bench and laughed saying, "no way".
I must say that I am some what of a loss in the mechanical engineering of what makes the rifle extremely accurate. I tend to think at this point that the gunsmith that takes pains in getting the chamber and bore in alignment carries very heavy weight, along with the quality of the barrel it's self. I saw these RR Remingtons, Ruger tang safeties, and a Mauser all shoot incredibly small groups.
I have begun to think that there is the pure science in doing everything possible to remove all flaws from rifle action, barrel, chamber so that you have the very best chance possible to shoot the best groups of your life. Competitive shooting is harsh and demanding on ammo, gun, and shooter. Doing everything possible at gives you the confidence that You have done your best, the let the chips in competition lay where they must. A lot of your performance and potential success lies between your ears. You have to decide just how far you are going to take it.
My next project is to put a high quality barrel on a Rem 783, a 223 AI. I will put on a new boyd's stock. Then do the same thing to a Thompson bolt gun in a long action 7/08 Ackley improved. I like working cross word puzzles.
I have three Savage single shots, how they shoot as well as they do is simply a mystery of the Universe, banana shaped Cases, fonkadelic actions, with shore nuff fonky bolt heads, but they shoot. It is embarrassing for me to take one of the Savages to the rifle range, till you start shooting some groups(ugly stepchild).
Working a puzzle, doing more with less, builds confidence and satisfaction.
No action trueing of any kind...I got lucky. I got Dan to remove and time the bolts...money well spent.
RR Actions are not supposed to be that good, but mine shoot bug holes with good bbl.'s, stocks, triggers on them. I wanted to put them to a test with all the negative talk I hear, but the laws of probability will catch up to me sooner or later.
Specifically, when I can shoot groups in the low 2's, I am happy for a varmint rifle. I usually have an 8-32 or 10x50 scope on them of sorts. I shoot three shot groups, looking for tiny groups below .250, and atmospheric conditions will whip you more often than not. I hung a 31" unturned blank off one of the RR SS actionsin 6XC II, shooting palma brass it shot a lot of the smallest groups I have shot back to back in a long time with a leupold 36 on it.
I have had a lot of Hall M's, and Stolle Panda's which I really love. It feels real good doing great with lesser equipment. I have come full circle from being an all custom type guy. I kinda enjoy getting lesser equipment to shoot tiny groups, and working the crossword puzzle that goes with the "less than perfect" equipment.
I put a Hart 14 T on a tang safety Ruger 77(junk), put it in a McMillen Hunter class stock, tuned the trigger, caliber zero freebore turn neck 243 AI. First time to the range, fire forming brass in the 3's, formed brass in the low 2's with my own 70g Low drag bullet on a .900 jacket. Took me a while to digest that all I had heard had been wrong(rugers are no supposed to shoot tiny groups).
Next attempt was a Shilen 12T, heavy varmint, on a Mauser Parker Hale(mauser), in the Parker Hale varmint stock, zero freebore 6 Remington. First time to the range, I shot three groups in the 2's with Berger 62's at 4000 fps. A benchrest pal was with me, he shot it, and just stood back from the bench and laughed saying, "no way".
I must say that I am some what of a loss in the mechanical engineering of what makes the rifle extremely accurate. I tend to think at this point that the gunsmith that takes pains in getting the chamber and bore in alignment carries very heavy weight, along with the quality of the barrel it's self. I saw these RR Remingtons, Ruger tang safeties, and a Mauser all shoot incredibly small groups.
I have begun to think that there is the pure science in doing everything possible to remove all flaws from rifle action, barrel, chamber so that you have the very best chance possible to shoot the best groups of your life. Competitive shooting is harsh and demanding on ammo, gun, and shooter. Doing everything possible at gives you the confidence that You have done your best, the let the chips in competition lay where they must. A lot of your performance and potential success lies between your ears. You have to decide just how far you are going to take it.
My next project is to put a high quality barrel on a Rem 783, a 223 AI. I will put on a new boyd's stock. Then do the same thing to a Thompson bolt gun in a long action 7/08 Ackley improved. I like working cross word puzzles.
I have three Savage single shots, how they shoot as well as they do is simply a mystery of the Universe, banana shaped Cases, fonkadelic actions, with shore nuff fonky bolt heads, but they shoot. It is embarrassing for me to take one of the Savages to the rifle range, till you start shooting some groups(ugly stepchild).
Working a puzzle, doing more with less, builds confidence and satisfaction.
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Sounds like exactly how all of mine are built and they sure are shooters!
Liven The Dream
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Good Read.
I got a New RR SS Single Shot about 6 months back . Timing looked Ok ?
Changed the Trigger SAP.
I sent off to Very Good Smith in Wisconsin . This Guy Shoots Palma and Full Time Smith .
I will be waiting to hear His Report on the Action.
It may be months before this Rifle is finished, but will post the out come
Good Post,
Don
Well I have the Rifle. I got no Bad News on the Action . He did the Firing Pin and the Lugs . In works well in the first 40 round Break In.
Not unhappy .
I got a New RR SS Single Shot about 6 months back . Timing looked Ok ?
Changed the Trigger SAP.
I sent off to Very Good Smith in Wisconsin . This Guy Shoots Palma and Full Time Smith .
I will be waiting to hear His Report on the Action.
It may be months before this Rifle is finished, but will post the out come
Good Post,
Don
Well I have the Rifle. I got no Bad News on the Action . He did the Firing Pin and the Lugs . In works well in the first 40 round Break In.
Not unhappy .
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Toolbreaker
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I checked a new RR just a few months back, and I sure can't complain. Extraction timing was set very well from the factory (~.009"), and lug engagement was surprisingly good at about 70%. Sure beats a G? prefix that I bought several years ago. That one was all over the map.
AckleymanII
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I remember reading of someone that converts a Remington bolt head to a savage. I posted pictures of that Remington bolt head that was destroyed in a 10g over charge of iMR 3031 in a 22/250. If I could have a savage bolt head installed on the bolt, I could save the bolt.
Anyone know of someone that converts the 700 bolt head to a savage bolt head? That would really be a walk on the wild side.
Anyone know of someone that converts the 700 bolt head to a savage bolt head? That would really be a walk on the wild side.
Cloudrepair
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I may do something like that at some time soon but only for myself.
I would rebarrel it also
Isn't the 783 model a floating bolt head? Maybe the head from one of those
shortgrass
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Remington has always had a problem with extraction timing. I see older made actions as poorly timed as the newer CNC made actions are. Nothing new, been a problem for years. It'd take too much time to "do it properly" at the factory, and if they did, the bolt and receiver would have to stay 'paired' from the time the timing was established (bolt handle attached) until the complete rifle went into the shipping box. The pre-CNC made actions are usually much further 'out' , threads/action face, than the newer made actions.
AckleymanII
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Yes, these are my guns, I do not do work for anyone else.I may do something like that at some time soon but only for myself.
I would rebarrel it also
Isn't the 783 model a floating bolt head? Maybe the head from one of those
Yes, the 783 is a floating bolt head. I think that GMAC has done a bunch of them on this board, he related that they were very true actions. Something fun to play with, figure out a new toy...beater deer/hog rifle.
Also, sending your action/bolt to Dan is the best little bit of money you could ever spend...take that to the bank. Afterwards, that extractor will yank the entire rim off the case before it gives way.
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shortgrass
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Only the bolt/extraction timing, otherwise,,,, new seems better.
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