Looks like rack grade is going for almost exactly the same price as a new Colt Series 70, or two ATIs with really good holsters. Good ones are up into Delta Elite territory. Good for collectors, I suppose. Not so much for shooters.
CMP 1911 Prices Are Out...
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urbanrifleman
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I liked the CMP when it was for shooters and you had to prove you shot a match to even buy a firearm from them. And they used to limit how many firearms you could buy in a year so the hoarders couldn't drain the supplies. Now it is just a place for collectors and dealers going around flipping CMP guns for profit. I have no use for them now.
I think somewhere along the line the whole "that is taxpayer property" thing kind fell through the cracks. The CMP was never supposed to be a distribution arm of military surplus to collectors and gun show flippers.
There are guys in my club that would drive to the CMP and buy a dozen Garands at once. Take them back home and flip them for triple what they paid for them at the gun shows. Effectively, the CMP by allowing this, was encouraging a dealer network of sorts. It is some strange business. Now a rack grade piece of junk Garand costs as much as a new M1A. It is a strange thing.
I think somewhere along the line the whole "that is taxpayer property" thing kind fell through the cracks. The CMP was never supposed to be a distribution arm of military surplus to collectors and gun show flippers.
There are guys in my club that would drive to the CMP and buy a dozen Garands at once. Take them back home and flip them for triple what they paid for them at the gun shows. Effectively, the CMP by allowing this, was encouraging a dealer network of sorts. It is some strange business. Now a rack grade piece of junk Garand costs as much as a new M1A. It is a strange thing.
I shot a lot of Rimfire for awhile. CMP had the Win52 barrelled actions that were priced at 200 or so. Nice. Then they went away. For the last couple of years I have looked, but not bought anything. I guess they have to pay for the super range they built. http://thecmp.org/cmp-ranges/
urbanrifleman
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The guys in my club have the rimfire 100 yard match rules left over from the CMP days. They require that you have a "US trainer" which means you have to have a 40x, 52d or a Kimber to shoot the match. The idea being that the match was originally for inexpensive "trainers" from the CMP that were readily available. Now these CMP "trainers" cost more than my Anschutz!!! They all have safes full of CMP trainers they bought cheap back in the day and think we should all go buy one to able to shoot the match!!! I was like, screw that!!! Strange days indeed. I am not buying any more "vintage" rifles so I can shoot a match.
hoz53
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yes it will be interesting to see how many applications they get during the month window for applying for one. 8000 pistols and if they get 24000 applications will they raise the price? if the guns dont sell they could always lower it but i doubt that will be the case.
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urbanrifleman
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I mean right??? We all do realize do realize these are taxpayer funded firearms right? It is not like they made them or anything. They were a gift from the taxpayer.
Seems downright wrong selling what are essentially free military surplus for premium prices to the highest bidder, not taking into account it is not supposed to be about the money... It is supposed to be about repatriating taxpayer funded property. This whole new CMP is like socialist funded capitalism.
I think that the CMP is now a private entity and does not get funding to the extent they once did. Would be nice if POTUS could intervene for reinstatement of the additional funding they once had.
DR_2297
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CMP is a federally chartered corporation just like USPS and gets no funding out of the Budget. They get to sell obsolete and unneeded surplus US military arms and object to fund their endowment. The endowment is used to complete their mission of promoting marksmanship amongst the US populace with an emphasis on youth and to conduct the National Matches. No where does it say they are UNICEF and every gomer that wants one gets a gun for pennies on the dollar that they can then flip for 2X the money. I applaud CMP for pricing their goods within reach of those who want one but beyond profitable for the flipper or stripper....
Too many people know about CMP these days, I guess. I'm sure they will sell all the 1911s they have in the first round, even at those boutique prices.
I really hate to see people flipping CMP rifles, but it's human nature, I suppose. I think it would be pretty easy to just limit sales to one per year for M1s. But then, they need to sell all the rifles they can to support their programs. They are not in business to make sure everyone who wants a rifle gets one. I don't think the service grade M1s are priced out of reach yet; I got mine in 1999 and really don't have any need for another. I would like to find a decent deal on clips though. Now when they phase out the M16, do you suppose there will be programs selling those (after they are neutered to semi auto, of course)? And how about Beretta 92s?
I really hate to see people flipping CMP rifles, but it's human nature, I suppose. I think it would be pretty easy to just limit sales to one per year for M1s. But then, they need to sell all the rifles they can to support their programs. They are not in business to make sure everyone who wants a rifle gets one. I don't think the service grade M1s are priced out of reach yet; I got mine in 1999 and really don't have any need for another. I would like to find a decent deal on clips though. Now when they phase out the M16, do you suppose there will be programs selling those (after they are neutered to semi auto, of course)? And how about Beretta 92s?
GotRDid
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I, for one, have been a CMP supporter and Volunteer Armorer for many VFW, Am. Legion, and Disabled Veterans Posts for years.
I ask only one thing from CMP and that is to return these historic firearms to the public at large and use the proceeds to fund the perpetuation of training of the next generations of shooters in general. Under “Slick Willie Klinton” many of these old warhorses were destroyed by Captain Crunch under his anti-gun rampage. If you are to be outraged, be upset about the fate of those “Taxpayer” funded firearms.
I carried an M1911A1 as an MP, so will be in the first “wave” to acquire one. Likewise, I competed on our Company’s Combat Pistol Team using match tuned Hardball and Wadcutter .45s. As for finding a comparable USGI M1911/M1911A1 for cheap in your local pawn shop, I would like to know where you shop.
If you doubt the Mission Statement and Plan funded by CMP, I wholeheartedly encourage you to visit their site and note all the programs in place to insure our future Men and Women don’t have to learn how to shoot on video games.
In regards to the escalating value of “surplus” Rimfire rifles, understand that there was always a finite amount these premium 40X, 52s, H&R M12, Kimber 82Gs and a plethora of lesser grade rifles issued to both college and high school ROTC units. When Precision Air Rifles/Pistols supplanted Rimfire Marksmanship programs due to insurance, safety and OSHA regulations, and these rifles were offered to the public, they didn’t last long. I bought what I could afford as reminders of my JROTC Rifle Team day’s and shoot them when I can. True, some are now worth as much as an Anschutz, but most of mine had a hard life and any Annie can outshoot them.
I hope I make the cut.
GotRDid.
I ask only one thing from CMP and that is to return these historic firearms to the public at large and use the proceeds to fund the perpetuation of training of the next generations of shooters in general. Under “Slick Willie Klinton” many of these old warhorses were destroyed by Captain Crunch under his anti-gun rampage. If you are to be outraged, be upset about the fate of those “Taxpayer” funded firearms.
I carried an M1911A1 as an MP, so will be in the first “wave” to acquire one. Likewise, I competed on our Company’s Combat Pistol Team using match tuned Hardball and Wadcutter .45s. As for finding a comparable USGI M1911/M1911A1 for cheap in your local pawn shop, I would like to know where you shop.
If you doubt the Mission Statement and Plan funded by CMP, I wholeheartedly encourage you to visit their site and note all the programs in place to insure our future Men and Women don’t have to learn how to shoot on video games.
In regards to the escalating value of “surplus” Rimfire rifles, understand that there was always a finite amount these premium 40X, 52s, H&R M12, Kimber 82Gs and a plethora of lesser grade rifles issued to both college and high school ROTC units. When Precision Air Rifles/Pistols supplanted Rimfire Marksmanship programs due to insurance, safety and OSHA regulations, and these rifles were offered to the public, they didn’t last long. I bought what I could afford as reminders of my JROTC Rifle Team day’s and shoot them when I can. True, some are now worth as much as an Anschutz, but most of mine had a hard life and any Annie can outshoot them.
I hope I make the cut.
GotRDid.
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Another wrinkle. CMP could ship their long guns straight to the purchaser under whatever ATF license they held. The pistols need an FFL, so tack on another 30-50 bucks to 'call it in'.
Alexander-M
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Quote: (I added the underline)
"CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records."
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
For rifle sales, the CMP still has eligibility requirements for purchasing: proof of citizenship, proof of age, membership in CMP affiliated organization, marksmanship related acivity, etc.
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/
Alex
"CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records."
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
For rifle sales, the CMP still has eligibility requirements for purchasing: proof of citizenship, proof of age, membership in CMP affiliated organization, marksmanship related acivity, etc.
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/
Alex
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I guess I cant even buy one. I dont have a club anywhere remotely close to me to join.
fatelvis
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I don’t expect to pay pennies on the dollar, and I wouldn’t plan on flipping a pistol if I did buy one. I would expect the prices to be a bit more reasonable, after all they are milsurp. And please watch where you’re directing that “Gomer” comment.
hoz53
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they dont have to be close. its not like you have to go to meetings. there are clubs in your state associated with the CMP. there is a list on their website
arkansas rifle and pistol association is one
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DR_2297
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When you have a finite resource that is outnumbered by consumers then you charge what the market will bare.
CMP sells well under market price for Garands. Browsing any gunshow will clearly show that. I am sure that while many of us scoff at the prices for any number of reasons there is an army of people out there ready to do damage to the credit card.
Case in point, 4 or so years back, CMP North was going to have 64 IHC Garands for just under $1k ea. There were people camped in the parking lot for 4 days prior and a line with names and numbers assigned by those who arrived first. People slept in their cars and had pizza delivered. They came from as far away as Kansas and Nebraska. Come that morning there were almost 100 people in line; to buy 64 rifles............
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I'll buy one if given the opportunity. I've always wanted a GI military 1911 but have had reservations about purchasing one on the open market. No question these are the real deal, a true piece of history, and they seem reasonably priced.
The gun will stay with me for the rest of my days and will get used.
The gun will stay with me for the rest of my days and will get used.
Alexander-M
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