Years ago, when I first heard of adding Kroil to #9, I did a comparison and found that it was obviously better than #9 alone, for powder fouling. About that time, I told an older friend, who had been using #9 for powder fouling for a long time, but as is the usual for him, he was skeptical, so I told him to bring a small bottle about half full of #9 the next time he was at my house, and I added enough Kroil to make a 2-1 mixture. He tried it, and agreed that it worked better. After that I ordered a gallon of Kroil, and split it between two friends and myself. Later, when I got my first 6PPC, and started off shooting 133 in it, I found that because that powder burned so clean, that I could simply use a single bore cleaner and get the job done. I settled on Butch's Bore Shine for this, and although at one point thought that Lyman, had changed the formula, because of the color of the patches, continued to use it, with satisfactory results for a long time. Now that I am trying some of the new powders that have been developed, that are slightly dirtier, I am experimenting once more with bore solvents, and cleaning procedures, so that I do not have an accumulation of powder fouling turn into a hard carbon issue, that requires an abrasive to solve. The jury is still out as to whether there is anything out there that can accomplish this. We shall see. Perhaps I need to try the old standby, Kroil and #9, and go back to a two solvent cleaning procedure.