Clean a Barrel TOO MUCH???

[BenPerfected]

I agree with the last two post, with over 2700 post between both you might want to seriously consider their input.
Ben

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Id change that barrel.

 

[savagedasher]

I would say you cleaned just right you
WON . Congrats Larry

 

[CaptainMal]

Did win, gun shot well and conditions played a part. Not real cold so I don't think it was temperature related.

Once I started it was on. Hard to say it stayed that way but I was perfect the second round. Third round showed me mirage that moved the target up to two feet. Behind by a couple going into the final, I played my guesses and held way, way right and a little low. I mean feet. Most others missed everything and I did well.

Not sure the rifle was perfect but never saw vertical after that hideous pre-match shooting time. Not cleaning like that again. Take it to the bank.

 

[OIF/OEF]

My 6BR takes 9 or 10 shots to settle in after a thorough cleaning. Krieger barrel with less than 300 rounds fired maybe its still too new or something. I just switched from JB to Iosso...Hey highlife I was listening to my barrel and it said "your bad groups aren't my fault" .....after I cleaned the crap out of it and used Iosso the first time I was scared I messed it up and on my budget that's a deal killer. I said screw it Im here at the range im gonna shoot the whole box if I have to and sure enough it settled down

 

[savagedasher]

Mal the barrel is junk . The last 5 shoots it finished 1 -2 -1 -2 -3 . Guys convince him to take it off. I can find a place for it.
Good shooting Larry from the other Larry

 

[dkhunt14]

Mal the barrel is junk . The last 5 shoots it finished 1 -2 -1 -2 -3 . Guys convince him to take it off. I can find a place for it.
Good shooting Larry from the other Larry

Sounds like vertical. Can't you put one of those tuners on and tune it? Matt

 

[CaptainMal]

Ha, ha, ha...

There is a tuner on both of my competition barrels. The Stolle sports a Bartlien and the BAT a Krueger bbl. You cannot re-tune under pre-shoot conditions.

This is not the competition section but a topic I started on barrel cleaning and possible issues. But, for further digression, Manatee conditions are fast-changing and often radical, I have rarely seen anyone shoot "great" groups as often reported elsewhere from the best shooters. Also have never seen any quality visitors do more than be competitive under the conditions found at Manatee.

Here is a case where I think the best shooters may not be shooting the most accurate rifles. During the second round, Steve Krauss shooting next to me, cleaned the second phase with 4 out of 5 literally on the same spot at 1,000 yards. His 284 is awesome. During the last phase, full of mirage and a little wind, he commented that he just could not get comfortable holding off that much. Good education for all of us.

Thanks for the help with the related experiences on cleaning and fouling issues with barrels.

 

[savagedasher]

Sounds like vertical. Can't you put one of those tuners on and tune it? Matt

He has one mabey he did. He be known to do things like that.
The 1000 yard gong shooting Is a shooters shoot . The time between shots is why it is tough . The best case is 20 minutes and that is from you last practice shot till your first shot
Each relay is a half hour apart . It's not un common for the shot to be 2 hours long .
Without any more practice . Like he said his last shot was over a foot hold off . I have seen over 2 foot of change between relays. Late relay you can get 2 foot of change between shots . Most of the shoots are won in the last relay. Larry

 

[BT1]

My original comments to Larry about how clean a barrel should be, was that with the introduction of the lower cost bore scopes, many "may be" over cleaning. Agree with many that different barrels just respond to different levels of cleaning. I have some that only take 3 or 4 to settle down and others that seem to like more up to 10 or 12. It is also a common topic that many barrels are worn out by over or improper cleaning than shooting.

Larry beat me fair and square on Saturday in a shoot-off for first. Each had 10/15 hits. Only 8 shooters. Larry won on the second shoot off round. We both hit on the first. Lost after I refused to hold upwind any further. He was right, I was wrong. Did string 10 together in the middle of the match.

Congratulations Larry on the win in crazy mirage conditions at the end.

Steve

 

[dmoran]

He has one mabey he did. He be known to do things like that.
The 1000 yard gong shooting Is a shooters shoot . The time between shots is why it is tough . The best case is 20 minutes and that is from you last practice shot till your first shot
Each relay is a half hour apart . It's not un common for the shot to be 2 hours long .
Without any more practice . Like he said his last shot was over a foot hold off . I have seen over 2 foot of change between relays. Late relay you can get 2 foot of change between shots . Most of the shoots are won in the last relay. Larry

2ft change from relay to relay, isn't bad or uncommon.
I've been at 1000 ranges that change up that much (and worse) in 30-seconds.
Donovan

 

[dkhunt14]

2ft change from relay to relay, isn't bad or uncommon.
I've been at 1000 ranges that change up that much (and worse) in 30-seconds.
Donovan

In 2006 at Nationals in North Carolina there were changes of 5 feet in a matter of seconds. Complete switches happened often. Lots of guys didn't get on. In 2005 in Iowa I had 9 minutes of wind on with a 240 Sierra out of 300 IMP. Days like that can be tough. Matt

 

[dmoran]

In 2006 at Nationals in North Carolina there were changes of 5 feet in a matter of seconds. Complete switches happened often. Lots of guys didn't get on. In 2005 in Iowa I had 9 minutes of wind on with a 240 Sierra out of 300 IMP. Days like that can be tough. Matt

I remember that day at Pella in 2005 well !.!.!
I won a HV-Gun Relay for score with an ugly 89 (9.7" group).
Most others that kept them all on were 60 and 70 scores.
2010 National's at Harris had some of the worse I've seen (+3-MOA switches).
Donovan

 

[dkhunt14]

I think you can clean a barrel wrong or improperly. I don't believe you can over clean a barrel. If the barrel has pits or holes from rough bore to fire cracking, it might take a few more rounds to settle. I just have never seen this with any of my barrels. We get spotted shots at 1000 yards. In 15 plus years I never had a barrel that wouldn't settle in 3 to 4 shots. I clean my barrels hard and use Iosso every time I shoot them. Matt

 

[Joe Salt]

Matt when do you clean your barrels hard. Every time I see you your of talking to someone?

Joe Salt

 

[Joe Salt]

Iosso Maybe I'll try it! Oh Tom 6" really

Joe Salt

 

[dkhunt14]

Matt when do you clean your barrels hard. Every time I see you your of talking to someone?

Joe Salt

I clean them after done shooting. I soak them with wet patches between matches. While you are sleeping I get up at 4 or 5 and clean it good before the match starts, Including Iosso. I don't want you to see what I do. Matt

 

[Joe Salt]

I guess I have to get up a little earlier to catch you, I think I bought some Iosso but don't remember were I put it!
Tom at Williamsport 6 min. is the average.

Joe Salt

 

[Joe Salt]

Tom I guess I can't B.S. you any. Two feet alright? That's 24'' on a good day.

Joe Salt

 

[4xforfun]

Here is what I noticed in the 6 years I compeated in 1000 BR. The first couple of years I was shooting button BBLs. They all fouled something awfull...took days to get them "squeeky clean". But, they only took 1 or two shots to settle in. I never had a doubt when the sighter period was over that I was GTG.

Then, I started to run Kriegers. The things "broke in" in 3 shots, didn't hardly copper foul, even during days when I never cleaned them. When I did clean them, it was simply a couple of patches, and then a good carbon scrubbing every 150 to 200 rounds or so. BUT......those tubes took 10 -15 shots to settle in!!! There were times at first when I thought my scope was loose or that my scale went south during loading!!! After I figured it out I would always allow myself at least 15 fouler shots after that first cleaning. As those bbls got older and fouled more and more,and quicker and quicker, I noticed that they settled in quicker.

Any of you guys ever notice this? Do any of you put any stock in this phenomenon? I noticed it with pretty much all of my tubes EVERY time I cleaned them.

Tod