Change bolt face or change my mind

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Good day
I have a Panda 6ppc that I would like to convert to 30 cal. What would be the better choice - change the bolt face for 30 br or go with something like a 30ppc? We bench backyard 100 to 400 yd. I don't want any more recoil than a 30br and need a round that is easy to tune.
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[Ggmac]

Either cut your br rims to PPC diam , or use the new rebated rim case made for the 22 nosler and use it to make 30 ar ammo .

 

[joshb]

I recently bought a 6ppc/30br switch barrel rig with a Hall action. The 30br case's rims were trimmed down. I haven't shot it yet but the previous owner said it shot well. Seems like an easy way to do it. Josh

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

Easy -- 30 Major.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/06/now-thats-accuracy-mike-ezells-tack-driving-30-major/

 

[rayjay]

I rebated the rims so I could shoot a 30BR from my ppc Viper Drop Port. If you have access to a lathe it's no big deal. I use a very simple HSS tool I ground myself in about 5 mins.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Easy job to open the boltface to .308. I would open the bolt and go 30 br.

 

[ebb]

Alex I have a Hall also and a 30 BR is in my future. I have looked at the bolt and mine doesn't look as if it is big enough to open to a .473. I know Mr Hall made several different actions, and I don't know which mine is. It came to me as a 6PPC and when the barrel dies it will be rebarreled with some kind of 30. I was certain it would be a 30 BR, but when that Stinnit guy set the record with a 30 PPC, I am not so sure which is best. The 30 PPC would eliminate the bolt issue, but a 30 BR is, well its a 30 BR. I've never seen one that didn't shoot.

 

[pikespeakgoat]

I wouldn't discount the 30 ppc. I shoot a 30 br and a couple fellows I used to shoot with shot 30 ppc using Reloader 7, and Berger 110's I believe. Their ppc's shot as good, if not better than my br every weekend. They also said that load development was easy peasy and that they used Quickload. fwiw.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Alex I have a Hall also and a 30 BR is in my future. I have looked at the bolt and mine doesn't look as if it is big enough to open to a .473. I know Mr Hall made several different actions, and I don't know which mine is. It came to me as a 6PPC and when the barrel dies it will be rebarreled with some kind of 30. I was certain it would be a 30 BR, but when that Stinnit guy set the record with a 30 PPC, I am not so sure which is best. The 30 PPC would eliminate the bolt issue, but a 30 BR is, well its a 30 BR. I've never seen one that didn't shoot.

Actually, Stinnett shot the world record with a 30 Major, as was mentioned above. The version he shot, they called a 30 Stewart. It has often been mistakenly called a 30 ppc but it is not. It's based on 6.5 Grendel brass and is formed by simply necking it up the 30 from 6.5. The difference is that the shoulder is .070" forward of a PPC. The case length is the same, nominally.

I designed the cartridge in 01/2007. It's as easy as a wildcat can get, to form, tune, etc. Obviously, it is a very accurate little cartridge and dies are simple. Also, Lapua brass for the parent Grendel is exceptional.

The pros and cons vs a 30BR are small but if I felt a 30BR was better, I could be shooting one before it gets dark tonight. Both are very good. If you want to discuss it in detail, you can give me a call. PM me if you want but it's a discussion best had on the phone or in person. I type too slow. Lol! I despise rebating rims, too. Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one. The 30 Major/Grendel makes the most sense when you have a dedicated PPC bolt.

A dedicated PPC bolt isn't a hindrance at all, IMO. I shoot a 220 Beggs, 6PPC, 6 Grendel and 30 Major with a rifle that has a combo bolt face now, but when I shot a DP Viper, it was not a simple job to just open the bolt face on. I'll likely do a 22 Grendel at some point. With careful chambering and properly spec'd reamers, the same sizing die can be used for all of the Grendel based cases, without even adjusting the die. It sounds tough to do but it's actually not difficult at all. It's quite easy really. I love when "easy" works as well or better than other options.--Mike Ezell

 

[ebb]

Well I guess that has answered all my questions. Can my 6 PPC brass be fire formed into 30 major, or do you need to start with Grendel brass?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Well I guess that has answered all my questions. Can my 6 PPC brass be fire formed into 30 major, or do you need to start with Grendel brass?

You could do it that way but it defeats some of the point. Also, the oal case length would depend on your forming method. It'll shorten up quite a bit if you don't address it and you'll be taking the 220 Russian brass all the way from 22 to 30. I do not like the idea of using fired brass to form with either. It'll never be nearly as ductile as new and is just looking for trouble. I really can't imagine a good reason not to use Grendel brass. Again, I really like it when "easy" works.

 

[Eric Leonard]

I thought about a 30 and my Farley action will handle the BR and PPC brass,,it`s the cost of those 30 cal bullets that scared me away,,

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I thought about a 30 and my Farley action will handle the BR and PPC brass,,it`s the cost of those 30 cal bullets that scared me away,,

If you include barrel life into the costs, the 30's are still a little cheaper to shoot in the long run, on average. There are many 30's that are still very competitive with 6-8000 rounds on them. I know of exactly 1 6PPC that I would say that about and it FINALLY gave up the ghost a few years ago.

 

[Eric Leonard]

but Mike, have you seen how small the dot is on those 30 cal UBR targets ?? LOL ,,I am sure I will have one some time,,probably even put one of those thingys on the end of the barrel,,

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

but Mike, have you seen how small the dot is on those 30 cal UBR targets ?? LOL ,,I am sure I will have one some time,,probably even put one of those thingys on the end of the barrel,,

I can just barely see it!

 

[rayjay]

If you do rebate rims it's a heck of an incentive to start annealing your brass !!!!! Try to make it last forever !

 

[madmixerman]

I would send it to Kelblys and have it opened up.

 

[WyleWD]

I would send it to Kelblys and have it opened up.

I agree. The original poster might call Kelblys and find out that the bolt doesn't need to be opened up. I have a panda that I bought as a 6ppc and now have barrels for 6br and 6xc for it. A phone call to the good people at Kelblys will answer your question(s). WD