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Chambering and twist question - to set the record straight

Alex Wheeler said:
No, but even if it was that would not be a problem.
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I think we all understand this...the original post is of what a "gunsmith" is telling a customer...that his right hand twist barrel was chambered from the muzzle end and that it made it a left hand twist and that is why it isn't shooting. He stated that when looking thru it from one end it is right hand twist and when you look thru it from the other end it is a left hand twist. Not questioning whether manufacturers make left hand and right hand twist barrels.
 
Does this gunsmith drive a Chevy?

Had a customer call my boss years ago and complain about the way I installed his hubcaps after a service. Bossman told me to make certain I got it right when Mr important came back or there would be hell to pay.

Customer says…..
The emblems on my hubcaps are pointing all different directions, how stupid are you that you can’t get them all on the same?

Me says after handing back the keys…
Is that the way you wanted them?

Customer asks why I didn’t do that the first time?

I replied,
just not thinking sir, every thing will be fine if go STRAIGHT home and just don’t turn.

He complained to the shop owner, who minutes later was about halfway through giving me a good dress down when Mr important drove back in looking like he had just swallowed a lemon. Said it took him three turns before he got out of the car and looked at the hubcaps.

Sometimes it’s just not worth trying to argue with stupid.
 
Properly lapped blanks do have a muzzle end (choke), but the "genius" probably has no idea of how that would be measured!
 
Regardless of being an idiot, why would a left hand twist be less accurate than right hand?? Might come into play at super long range due to spin of the earth depending on direction you shooting. But I think that would still be minuscule.
 
M60A3TTS said:
Regardless of being an idiot, why would a left hand twist be less accurate than right hand?? Might come into play at super long range due to spin of the earth depending on direction you shooting. But I think that would still be minuscule.
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Saying a left hand twist is harder to shoot isn’t exactly right, but it’s hard to switch between the two. Kind of a learning curve. The torque is opposite so butt spins opposite.

Speaking for myself it takes a bit to settle in after switching. So if you’re not ready or realize what’s happening, accuracy suffers, tho no fault of the rifle.

And I’ll add that if you’re shooting a left hand twist and don’t know it, you might just send your scope in for repairs. You can zero it, it just won’t track the way it does on the right twist it came off of. Something about garbage in garbage out computations.
 
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Alex Wheeler said:
You may want to ask the manufacture about that. Outside of a few rimfire barrels I dont think your going to find taper.
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Thats not necessarily true. I make single point cut rifled barrels. Depending on the amount of hook ground in the cutter there certainly can be choke (or taper). I have found they can shoot exceptional good with it. Although they can also shoot just as well without it. But yes, center fire barrels can have choke.
 
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Acyr said:
Thats not necessarily true. I make single point cut rifled barrels. Depending on the amount of hook ground in the cutter there certainly can be choke (or taper). I have found they can shoot exceptional good with it. Although they can also shoot just as well without it. But yes, center fire barrels can have choke.
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Like I said, ask the manufactuer. In your case there may be choke. Let us know what barrels you make. In most other brands that we use there wont be.
 
I know there never was an accuracy problem with the rifle in question to begin with...the gist of the post is all about the gunsmith telling the customer what I posted in the original post and then the guy goes back on the seller and repeats what his gunsmith told him. There is absolutely no way a right hand twist can become a left hand twist just by turning the barrel around...no way, Period. I would have thought that most competent people would know this.
Most of us realize there are some left hand twist barrels, but that was not what the post was about. As for the accuracy of one over the other, that also was not what the post was about...although if it was taper lapped(rimfire barrel) and it was reversed then I could see the accuracy not being that great. So I hope this doesn't go too far off topic.
I was just really awe struck that a supposed gunsmith would tell a customer such a thing.
I know the rifle in question and know for a fact what twist the barrel is and how it shot. My hope in all of this is that the customer reads this and realizes the mistake he has "created" and finds a real gunsmith.
 
GAnderson said:
I know there never was an accuracy problem with the rifle in question to begin with...the gist of the post is all about the gunsmith telling the customer what I posted in the original post and then the guy goes back on the seller and repeats what his gunsmith told him. There is absolutely no way a right hand twist can become a left hand twist just by turning the barrel around...no way, Period. I would have thought that most competent people would know this.
Most of us realize there are some left hand twist barrels, but that was not what the post was about. As for the accuracy of one over the other, that also was not what the post was about...although if it was taper lapped(rimfire barrel) and it was reversed then I could see the accuracy not being that great. So I hope this doesn't go too far off topic.
I was just really awe struck that a supposed gunsmith would tell a customer such a thing.
I know the rifle in question and know for a fact what twist the barrel is and how it shot. My hope in all of this is that the customer reads this and realizes the mistake he has "created" and finds a real gunsmith.
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Ok, so whats the point? We all pile on this guy for saying something wrong? What should the punishment be? Run him down or kill his business? Is that how things work at your job? One mistake and your done? I know what your saying. I just dont know what your goal is, but ruining a guys living because of one error that didnt hurt anyone doesnt get me going.
 
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Alex Wheeler said:
Ok, so whats the point? We all pile on this guy for saying something wrong? What should the punishment be? Run him down or kill his business? Is that how things work at your job? One mistake and your done? I know what your saying. I just dont know what your goal is, but ruining a guys living because of one error that didnt hurt anyone one doesnt get me going.
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Alex, I'm sorry you have taken this in the way that you have and you are clearly upset, but you are wrong though...this has "hurt" someone and that would be the seller. He is very upset about the buyer making all kinds of claims/accusations about him being dishonest and even I have tried to make the buyer understand the error in what his gunsmith has told him. Not one part of my post has mentioned anyone's name or any attempt to ruin a guy and I never had any intentions of posting any names or businesses even if I did know who it was...but it has gone farther than that by the buyer.
Alex, If you read the title to my post again... "to set the record straight"... maybe you will understand what I am trying to accomplish and if you read the last sentence of my previous post again... " hoping the buyer reads this and understands"...then maybe you will understand what my point is. That is why I posted it in the gunsmithing section so that gunsmith's could respond and provide accurate information...and just maybe it would sink in with the buyer...nothing more. I could give a sh!t less who the gunsmith is or how he runs his business...
 
Alex Wheeler said:
Im not upset. Your just in the minority if your intending to put choke in your barrels. Ive handled some of them.
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No problem. I don't intentionally put choke in. It is a result of tuning the carbide cutter. My self and Bryan have shot excellent results using them, however. I won 600-yard Nationals with a barrel that had .0007 choke. So, it is not necessarily a detriment to accuracy.
 
Acyr said:
No problem. I don't intentionally put choke in. It is a result of tuning the carbide cutter. My self and Bryan have shot excellent results using them, however. I won 600-yard Nationals with a barrel that had .0007 choke. So, it is not necessarily a detriment to accuracy.
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Agreed I like choke if we can get it. I like gain for that reason
 
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