CCI 450 mag. primers
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Talk about price gouging!You're supposed to think this is how gasoline got to over $4.00 a gallon.
AckleymanII
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Greed is killing the world.
You've been watching too much television. It ain't that simplistic. Somebody sets up a system that encompasses you. When it collapses, at their hands, they tell you it's your fault. Wisen up!keithcandler said:
yep, that's gouging. I picked up primers last weekend in OKC for $30.00 for 450's and $38.00 for 205m's. 1 brick limit per customers but they were available at a couple different stores in the area. Had seen anything but large pistol primers for quite awhile, was pleasantly surprised. Maybe its a sign the droughts about over. If everyone will put a one brick limit on them till supplies get better maybe the serious shooters and reloaders can get by. The hoarding of primers is like back during the Clinton administration in 1994 and primers were nearly impossible to find with retailers gouging over a $100.00 a brick for primers. After everyone quit buying them then they went back down. I was going through a box of 'stuff' a few weeks ago and found some primers a bought in the mid 70's with a $1.10 sticker on them, wished I had bought more, lots more!
rcw3
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I don't hear any of those that are screaming 'price gouging' or complaining about the high prices offering to sell their primers for $30/1000.
You can bet 'if the shoe was on the other foot' they would be wanting as much as they could get for what they have - and why not?
It seems to me some of them should think before they post.
Do they really want a system where the prices and supply of goods are heavily regulated,almost like gun control). Why might someone think if the supply and price of things is regulated that everyone will have a good supply of things at a cheap price, instead of severe shortages where nothing is available because it is not profitable to even be in the regulated business.
Freedom includes the freedom to make a profit and if you don't like the prices don't buy but sell.
Robert Whitley
You can bet 'if the shoe was on the other foot' they would be wanting as much as they could get for what they have - and why not?
It seems to me some of them should think before they post.
Do they really want a system where the prices and supply of goods are heavily regulated,almost like gun control). Why might someone think if the supply and price of things is regulated that everyone will have a good supply of things at a cheap price, instead of severe shortages where nothing is available because it is not profitable to even be in the regulated business.
Freedom includes the freedom to make a profit and if you don't like the prices don't buy but sell.
Robert Whitley
JRS
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You have gotten a bit extended on this Robert. No one is advocating a system of control and limits. We are simply asking our fellow shooters, and also frequently visited vendors, to extend prices to us based on MSRP. Maybe a bit lower based on profit margin. For instance: when one pays $21.00 at everyday prices for a certain product, and supply virtually evaporates due to 'fear', the next guy who went out and purchased a supply of this product that would last 50 people a lifetime, is asking 5 times the amount he paid. That is gouging, plain and simple. I take it you didn't mind paying $5.00 per gallon for gas? Did you call that a fair price? Same thing, different product.
JRS said:
Sorry, but there is no such thing as gouging in a free market exchange. A seller is free to ask whatever he wants for his product, and a buyer is free to buy at that price, or not buy at that price.
Nobody is forcing anyone to pay more than $30/1000 for primers. If people are choosing to, so be it, it is their choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to sell their primers either. If someone chooses to, and it takes $70/$1000 to get them to do so, well, that is a-ok as well. This is what keeps goods exchanging hands in times of shortage.
Again, this is a free market exchange of goods, and supply and demand set the pricing. Simple as that, and nothing more...
yat3b35 said:
I am neither buying or selling right now. I am prepared to simply wait until some equilibrium returns to the market.
JRS
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Well then........ let's not complain and accuse the oil companies and gas stations of gouging when gas hits $5.00 per gallon again. After all, its a free market and we don't have to purchase it. Just park your vehicles, kick back, and wait them out. The price will eventually go down again. It's not like you have to use gas. You can always ride a bicycle, horse, walk, skateboard, etc. etc. etc. Free market..... eh?
JRS said:
Who was complaining before? It certainly was not me....
You certainly don't have to worry about that when it happens again either. If COP and XOM can get $5 a gallon for gas, so be it, and good for them!
Sorry to the OP for the hijack. If we want to debate the merits of capitalism vs. socialism, we should probably do that in the main forum...
This is the result of Obamaphobia = hoarding and the supply tightens up = prices increase = more hoarding and gouging, etc
Here is one of those 'I can top that'. There is a person in my town, northern Left Coast) on Craig's List that wants $10.00 per 100 Winchester small rifle primers.I just talked to Midsouth on a back order of CCI 450's and was told there is no projected time for delivery. Could be ' 1 month or could be a year'.
If Speer and Federal are saying demand has jumped 10 fold and they are now running 3 shifts, we will never catch up until a few months after demand drops.
The other problem is that the industry ammo needs trumps the reloader's needs for primers.
That means do not START to get primers until the ammo shortage ends.
Huge inflation is coming as a result of federal spending and no big tax hike.
It would be a shame if the inflation gets here before the primer prices come down and stabilize.
For years we have had $15/1000 prices.
Two years from now that may be $35/1000.
The other problem is that the industry ammo needs trumps the reloader's needs for primers.
That means do not START to get primers until the ammo shortage ends.
Huge inflation is coming as a result of federal spending and no big tax hike.
It would be a shame if the inflation gets here before the primer prices come down and stabilize.
For years we have had $15/1000 prices.
Two years from now that may be $35/1000.
DEMAND will never drop, but CCI has dropped the ball regarding supply. CCI 450 primers are worth less than GOLD, but currently I'm not so sure. MAGTECH 7 1/2 magnum primers should assist handloaders, but such is not the case thus far, so much for Brazilian intervention! Thirty-five bucks per 1000 seems not to whet anyones' appetite to date. So if profit is not the motivator, what is? cliffy
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