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Case growth and annealing, a sad story.

Turbulent Turtle

F-TR competitor
Story time.

When I get a new barrel for my F-TR rifle, I buy 500 cases of Lapua brass with the same lot number and then I use the cases in boxes of 100 in a round robin fashion. My regimen in the past called for me to trim the cases every 5 loading so that by the time I got to the end of the barrel life (about 4000 rounds), I would only need to trim once, or twice at most. Trimming cases ranks right down there with moving as possibly the least pleasant thing to do. It's not just the trimming, it's also the chamfering and deburring that necessarily follows. Yuck, phooey.

In the past I used a little hand trimmer to do the trimming part, followed by a quick encounter with my RCBS Trim Mate for the deburring and chamfering. Some years ago I adapted a power screwdriver to the trimmer and that made the chore just a little less unpleasant. Something like getting 22 lashes instead of 24.

Just before the trip to Raton last year, I loaded all 500 rounds for the events. 400 rounds were on their third loading and 100 on their fourth. I used these 400 rounds in Raton and I was extremely happy with my ammo; it certainly did not let me down. After I got home I started loading the ammo, while firing the last 100 rounds left over from Raton at local matches. That was the box on its fourth loading.

I was a little disappointed with my performance at the local club when I had done so well in Raton. I loaded my ammo for the TSRA mid-range championship in the fall and there I noticed that something was off. I was seeing things on the target that I just could not explain. A few weeks after that match, I noticed that opening the bolt required more effort than usual and I was getting that "click" at the upstroke. That indicated to me that my brass was too long, something that my micrometer showed to be very true. For some reason this batch of brass was growing a little faster than prior ones.

My current theory is that since I was now annealing after every loading, this allowed the brass to grow somewhat faster than without annealing or much more infrequent annealing.

So I was faced with having to trim all this brass ASAP. I decided to get a WFT trimmer and give that a whirl, so to speak. I have explained my travails with that device on another thread, but I was able to trim all the brass, right back to 2.005. The Trim Mate ran continually for hours on end and all brass was trimmed over a period of some weeks.

The results instantly manifested themselves on the target when I shot a 585-somethingX at the December match. At the just concluded TSRA Long Range Championship, my newly trimmed ammo did well enough for me to pull out a win.

I learned my lesson the hard way; if you change something in the loading process there are repercussions. In my case, (pun intended) the injection of the annealing step in my brass management caused the faster growth issue. I decided that I was going to have to trim/chamfer and deburr every third loading instead of every fifth.

This past weekend, I stopped by a friend's house and we talked about handloading for precision. The unspeakable b@stard had a Giraud trimmer on his bench just teasing me. This morning I ordered one to go with my Giraud annealer.

The Giraud trimmer should be here just in time as I intend to trim with the Giraud at every loading.
 
Bayou Shooter;

In the short range BR game, when we have a clicking on the upswing of the bolt, it means our brass is not being sized down at the base., at which time we can adjust that problem with a " Redding Body die" or a Redding Small Base full length die. I do not believe your problem is because your brass is too long.
I do believe........ you have recieved some bad info.
 
No, I full length resize every loading with a small base F/L Redding Type S bushing die set to push back the shoulder about .001 from fired length.

The click is gone and the accuracy has returned.
 
Wondering if the annealing step softens the brass so much that it might be losing it's springback to some degree in the neck/shoulder area and thereby making things tighter for extraction???
 
Due to your proximity to Giraud trimmers, I'm surprised you didn't already have one!

I bought mine years ago, I trim every time!

Get a lock ring like what we use on sizing dies and once you set it, lock it so it does not move.

You can also trim bullets with it. ;)
 
I think you meant to say your not trimming Meplats yet. Big +1 on die lock rings, I use Forster lock rings on my Giraud shell holders, the Alum is easy to engrave the cartridge there for, it's a set and forget system, I trim 223 308 260 and 6.5Creed brass with mine, I have separate cutter assy for each.
 
FYI

The TEXAS STATE RIFLE ASSOCIATION (TSRA) LONG RANGE CHAMPIONSHIP
MARCH 7-9, 2014
F-TR RIFLE Tournament
Congratulations to Denys Beauchemin for winning the Tournament with a 580-15X.

Congrats Denys
 
Get a Giraud and be happy. You can trim your 500 cases in about an hour. I finally got one and even a 5gal bucket of 223 brass doesn't look intimidating anymore. :)
 
Erik Cortina said:
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Get a lock ring like what we use on sizing dies and once you set it, lock it so it does not move.

That is a great idea. I need to dig around on my bench and find two or order some.
 

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