Carbon in grooves or on lands

[Chiquita]

Inside barrel carbon buildup, has the most effect when it is in the grooves or on the lands?

Thanks for your input.

 

[INTJ]

I clean to get all the carbon out off the lands and most out of the grooves. That seems to work well. It always seems to come off the lands first. If I ever do clean to the point of having the grooves clean the I am down to bare metal everywhere.

I suppose someone could make a tool to clean the grooves, and then we could do a test.

 

[DShortt]

I don't know how you could test it to find out. If I clean well enough to get one out then the other is gone too at least in my experience. Either way if the target shows that you need to clean then I'd just say get it all out.

 

[K22]

What prompted the question?

I mean if you're using a high-quality carbon remover and you're achieving your target performance goals then why be concerned about it.

In my experience, the best way to avoid carbon fouling problems is to prevent excessive build up by cleaning on a regular basis with a high-quality carbon remover. I also prefer a bronze brush for carbon focused cleaning. Seems to work quite well for me judging from results on target.

PS: Bore Tech C4 carbon remover does a really good job for me.

 

[Chiquita]

What prompted the question?

I mean if you're using a high-quality carbon remover and you're achieving your target performance goals then why be concerned about it.

In my experience, the best way to avoid carbon fouling problems is to prevent excessive build up by cleaning on a regular basis with a high-quality carbon remover. I also prefer a bronze brush for carbon focused cleaning. Seems to work quite well for me judging from results on target.

PS: Bore Tech C4 carbon remover does a really good job for me.

I was cleaning my two barrels and inspecting with scope during cleaning sessions. And I noticed the land are clean but carbon still shows on some of the grooves and especially towards the muzzle end.

I use the BoreTech, Patchout foam and the liquid. For today and for the first time I tried Kroil and FreeAll.

From now on I am carbon cleaning my barrels after every range session and at the range.

 

[ebb]

They have made a tool for cleaning the carbon and copper out of the grooves for years and it is cheap and readily available. It's called JB bore paste, and it works wonders when needed but is not needed every time

 

[Chiquita]

I should clarify my post.
I am not asking about cleaning.

To clarify,

Inside barrel carbon buildup, has the most effect on accuracy when it is in the grooves or on the lands? Or it doesn't matter, carbon is carbon.

 

[Shooter13]

I should clarify my post.
I am not asking about cleaning.

To clarify,

Inside barrel carbon buildup, has the most effect on accuracy when it is in the grooves or on the lands? Or it doesn't matter, carbon is carbon.

Not being a wise guy but yes it is about cleaning! We have to clean to get carbon out AND you will not get it all out UNLESS you use something like JB Bore paste or Iosso. We have to accept a certain amount of carbon will be left unless like someone else mentioned a specific tool to fit in the grooves that will cut out the carbon. Believe me I scope my barrels and look all the time BUT there is a point of no benefit if you just scrub to get out carbon or accomplish your goal of shooting the best you can. I hope this hasn't confused you more than I already am!! LOL EDIT: As far as effect I don't think there is a way to prove one way or the other, don't know how you could/can clean grooves only or lands only.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Good Post, there are a few others out here.
I picked up a post from a Guy I know, Sea Foam and Kroil . This does get gray patches.
I go back to JB and Bore Cleaner on Patch on a Jag. This gets gray/black patches also .
JB to me is a little faster ? I see good results on Target ether way ?
I have tried Wipe Out also.
I think there may be lots of ways to get it done ?

 

[ebb]

I think that JB can and has been overdone. I am unsure how often it needs done maybe it takes a visual to know. I have been using a round count to determine when and i have been waiting for at least 125 rounds before I JB a rifle.

 

[JFrank]

I think I have carbon in the grooves also.

 

[Link]

I don't mean to offend anyone, unfortunately I don't know who anyone is that has posted. I wish we would hear from some names like Alex, Bart, Jeff etc that we recognize to see what there opinion is.

TY Don.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I was cleaning my two barrels and inspecting with scope during cleaning sessions. And I noticed the land are clean but carbon still shows on some of the grooves and especially towards the muzzle end.

I use the BoreTech, Patchout foam and the liquid. For today and for the first time I tried Kroil and FreeAll.

From now on I am carbon cleaning my barrels after every range session and at the range.

My rifles do not leave the range without 3-4 wet patches down them right after the last round goes down them for the day.
Sometimes it's Hoppe's and Kroil mix or Boretech Carbon Remover and Boretech Copper Remover mix.
This definitely makes cleaning sessions shorter.
I've been using Iosso and Kroll on a patch or brush for years. I always take great care of the throats and polish as needed. Of course I use my borescope to keep an eye on them.
There are plenty of good videos on how the Smith/Shooters maintain their barrels for accuracy. LR or SR videos, they're both out there.
One other thing, always use a tight fitting brass brush.

 

[jelenko]

I think that JB can and has been overdone. I am unsure how often it needs done maybe it takes a visual to know. I have been using a round count to determine when and i have been waiting for at least 125 rounds before I JB a rifle.

Visual has helped me a lot in determining what level of cleaning is needed.

 

[6MMsteve]

I soaked my barrel with FreeAll last week for 3 days, 6xc it had bad carbon buildup I run a bronze brush down the bore and it was covered in black sludge gunk it worked it got it all out, I should have taken before after pics but I had the hackin flu gunk didn't feel like it. I stuck the ear plug in chamber end and filled the bore full from the muzzle end, then tipped it back down muzzle at 10 deg

 

[K22]

I was cleaning my two barrels and inspecting with scope during cleaning sessions. And I noticed the land are clean but carbon still shows on some of the grooves and especially towards the muzzle end.

I use the BoreTech, Patchout foam and the liquid. For today and for the first time I tried Kroil and FreeAll.

From now on I am carbon cleaning my barrels after every range session and at the range.

Oh - a bore scope image issue - I understand now. But how is the rifle performing? Do you really need to clean it, so you have a nice bore scope image? Maybe so, I don't know but what is the target telling you?

Perhaps you may want to adopt a "round count" criterion for cleaning your barrel. In other words, through experience, I found that I can get a certain round count out of a barrel without cleaning and still retain the same performance.

I approached this issue by gradually increasing the round count between cleanings and observing the results. I'm not suggesting that you push this to the limit until the performance suffers and you have excessive carbon build up but instead find a middle ground to reduce the amount of cleaning and still maintain performance.

 

[ShtrRdy]

I understand the OP's question but don't know the answer. Too bad others don't understand the question. Maybe someone has experienced a difference.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Inside barrel carbon buildup, has the most effect when it is in the grooves or on the lands?

Thanks for your input.

I don't know the answer to this question. I'm stuck on wondering if the carbon builds up on the lands first or in the grooves, or equally at the same time.
I guess I'll never know because I clean my barrel frequently and thoroughly.

Sorry OP I didn't mean to step on your thread and I'm certainly not insinuating anything.

 

[jelenko]

I understand the OP's question but don't know the answer. Too bad others don't understand the question. Maybe someone has experienced a difference.

Right. I think no one knows the answer. The comments about cleaning, I think, are because, 'that's what we do with carbon'.

 

[6MMsteve]

ok I reread it and have no clue, so I'm out