Canadian shooter with common sense

[Fairchaser]

The AR15 is the preferred weapon because it is efficient. A shotgun would actually kill more with fewer shots but it’s not as cool. I see large capacity pistols as being the next choice and then shotguns. After that, exploding devices. The problem with making bombs is you have to be smart or you will blow yourself up. Bottom line is guns can’t be eliminated because the knowledge and tools are available to make guns and there are so many already available. The real problem is the breakdown of the family. Absentee dads and working moms. It only takes one off balance individual to kill a bunch of kids. Raising the age or reducing the capacity are bandaids on a sucking chest wound. It won’t do anything but make some people think they at least did something.

 

[SBS]

The AR15 is the preferred weapon because it is efficient. A shotgun would actually kill more with fewer shots but it’s not as cool. I see large capacity pistols as being the next choice and then shotguns. After that, exploding devices. The problem with making bombs is you have to be smart or you will blow yourself up. Bottom line is guns can’t be eliminated because the knowledge and tools are available to make guns and there are so many already available. The real problem is the breakdown of the family. Absentee dads and working moms. It only takes one off balance individual to kill a bunch of kids. Raising the age or reducing the capacity are bandaids on a sucking chest wound. It won’t do anything but make some people think they at least did something.

Not only are they "cool", but military type full autos are featured in most action flicks that involve much shooting these days -- unlike the old days when it was Colt single action revolvers and lever action rifles. It also looks like our military rifle, which is always popular with civilians. Most Hollywood types are anti-gun, but don't mind making action movies where they shoot thousands of rounds with full autos, thereby glorifying these with the impressionable public - all for big bucks from the movie industry.

 

[rr2030]

Everyone has lost focus on their objective. It's not what is common sense, it's not what should be done to stop these tragedies, It's not about mental health. No, what it's about, is closing the gun ownership loophole in the constitution.

Children being slaughtered by these savages makes me sick. In many cases this is facilitated by the access to unsecured firearms, other times it's weak a background check and / or no waiting period.

In Aviation, we look at an event and break it down to what lead up to the event. Often, if not always, if we interrupt the chain of events, just remove one link, the event is avoided, then we learn from that and move forward.

Trying to place myself in the position of a parent that lost their 8 year old to a school shooting (God I can't imagine) and thinking my child is gone forever because a child brought a firearm to school, in their backpack AGAIN, or a sick person, that everyone was aware, obtained a firearm from either securing it from a family member, stealing it from unsecured storage, purchasing it with out a decent background check, or having a friend that is aware of the persons mental condition and then providing a firearm to them, AGAIN. Makes me think , as a firearm owner, and a grandparent with 5 to 13 year old grand children in school, maybe it is time to not necessary have California style gun restrictions, but California style background checks and a reasonable waiting period.

That being said, it's not my desire here for forum members to think I must have been struck by lightening and went over to the other side, nothing could be further from the truth. Along with identifying the root cause that drives these savages to shoot up schools, we as firearm owners that don't want more restrictions placed upon ourselves, should demand of other firearm owners to do exactly what the title of this thread claims; common sense. Secure your firearms, train others, don't purchase or sell a firearm for someone that can't pass a background check.

Sorry guys, I am just sick of the shootings, and every time this happens it get's dumped right back in the gun owners lap.

 

[SBS]

Everyone has lost focus on their objective. It's not what is common sense, it's not what should be done to stop these tragedies, It's not about mental health. No, what it's about, is closing the gun ownership loophole in the constitution.

So "the gun ownership loophole in the Constitution" is the problem? We've had the Constitution for close to 250 years, so why haven't these events happened ever since.? As far as public opinion goes, they ARE looking for a way to end the tragedies. Unfortunately, how we have brought up children, with a lack of discipline and no responsibility for their actions, plus how we have turned mentally ill people loose on society are mostly why these shootings have happened. In many of these cases, society has had warnings from previous behavior of individuals and has done nothing about it. The libs would like to keep on training future generations the same way and just find ways to keep the bad ones from killing the rest, but it won't happen. We are reaping what we have sowed. I wouldn't use Aviation as an example to solve the current problem. No shooting yet has come close to number of people that have died in just one big plane crash, and we've not kept it from happening over and over. You may state how safe it is to travel by air by using miles vs. deaths, but that's no more comforting than stating how few people were lost at Uvalde vs. how many people (including children) died in other ways (such as the highways) in our nation of over 300 million. They all left grieving loved ones behind. If you think California gun laws are the answer, you have gone over to other side and might as well move there. You'll get a chance to enjoy the peace and security of Calif. society, particularly if you move to LA and go down in the 'hood. And, if it's too bad there, move to Chicago, which has had a lot of restrictions on gun ownership for many years and we all know how well that worked. I don't think gun owners have "lost sight of the objective". Had security done their job, Uvalde would have been a different story. Everyone must be held accountable for their actions rather than just blaming the weapon. BTW, we are all sick of these tragedies, but knee jerk reactions won't solve them, just make some people feel better temporarily. The obvious solution is good security for our school children. It looks like no one expects such a scenario at their school, so they hire a rent-a-cop.

 

[PracticalTactical]

I have to ask a more basic question if we believe this is a cool gun problem or simply a violence problem?

A thousand years ago people were slaughtered by swords, spears and hammers.... Do we think the crazies' would not revert to using such tools to execute the same mass killings, but with more grotesque injuries?

Its a fallacy to think it would not or could not happen.

Is there some sort of pleasure that an unstable person gets from using a firearm that he would not get from a sword, a spear, or a hammer?

Is it that guns are just easier to use and that is the appeal, or is it the killing itself that draws out the crazies?

 

[rr2030]

So "the gun ownership loophole in the Constitution" is the problem?

I posted:
Everyone has lost focus on their objective. It's not what is common sense, it's not what should be done to stop these tragedies, It's not about mental health. No, what it's about, is closing the gun ownership loophole in the constitution.
This means the anti gun crowd (their) objective, and they want the 2A eliminated.

I wouldn't use Aviation as an example to solve the current problem. No shooting yet has come close to number of people that have died in just one big plane crash, and we've not kept it from happening over and over.

I posted:
In Aviation, we look at an event and break it down to what lead up to the event. Often, if not always, if we interrupt the chain of events, just remove one link, the event is avoided, then we learn from that and move forward.
This means we identify the root cause of the event, fix it and continue flying.

You are correct in posting the bigger issues such as mental health, personal responsibility, that's what I was pointing out. The root cause in my opinion is the society we have created, and nothing will be done about it. These mass shootings is just a tool for the anti 2A crowd to rally on.

 

[SBS]

Sounds like we're mostly on the same side, except for Calif. type gun laws, which haven't made Calif. a safe place. Nearly all of these school shooters have been problem children before, been in trouble at school or with the law and got their wrists slapped at most. Eventually they work themselves up to do something really bad. Good school security is the only solution. When have you heard of a school shooting where children of our members of Congress attend? Never, because I can guarantee you they have tight security there. Our local high school (town of 30,000) spent over $20 Mil. on a football stadium recently, and they haven't spent 1% of that amount on security.

 

[rr2030]

Agree, however I think if this last idiot (Texas) went through a better background check, or a short waiting period, this may not have happened. As for 10 year olds bringing firearms to school, who the hell lets their kids (now days ) have unsupervised access to a firearm.

I like many here had firearms in my car in the nschool parking lot, many of us did. We went Pheasant hunting before school, then went again after school sometimes accompanied with a teacher. NEVER an issue. Like I posted earlier, it's the society we as a nation built, not the firearms.

 

[SBS]

"Better background checks" won't help anything as long as the person has no criminal record or has not been adjudicated mentally unfit. Even then, there are numerous cases of such information not being forwarded to the National Crime Information Center. People that commit these crimes plan them well in advance, they are not spur of the moment events. They're smart enough to take waiting periods into account. Note that Calif. started out with a much shorter waiting period and when it didn't work, extended them twice as I recall since they didn't solve the problem. I still say as long as we haven't reformed society, the only real answer is to provide good security at our schools, because it is plain that they are the target of these nuts who somehow see a chance for "notoriety". Sensationalizing school shootings by the media only eggs them on.

 

[209jones]

I think the Libs and cohorts up here knew a ban/buyback was totally impractical, so, they thought they may get away with this, but, even the cops are calling them out on it now. CBSA admitted in hearings a couple of months ago they cannot possibly begin to check all the freight crossing the border, Psychologists have said they'd not offer opinions on people's fitness to own or not to the gov't if requested in public hearing on these bills and others. The gov't is virtue signalling, but, in a position to ram this krap thru, and any other gov't, will have one hell of a time trying to undo it, if they even will actually try to.