Can an Iosso Patch Come Out White?

[CaptainMal]

Been cleaning that Dasher barrel I ruined with carbon last year and waiting for the new Krieger to arrive. Latest bore scoping done showed it clean a couple months ago. Been shooting it with mixed results lately and cleaning, cleaning, cleaning after each shoot. Using C-4 and some Iosso. Looked good but I am starting to see the beginnings of the old problem.

Home in the rain today so I took what I thought was a clean barrel and put a patch with Iosso Bore Paste in.
Was shocked to see what you can see. Then the next 4 came out increasingly worse. The picture is the first 5 patches.

Now, at least 4 hours later I have done washings with C-4 Carbon Cleaner, some brushes with patches of J.B Paste and maybe 30 MORE patches with Iosso. They keep coming out solid black.

Question...Does a tight Iosso patch, in a clean barrel, ever come out white?

 

[Erik Cortina]

Iosso turns black. Patches will always come out black.

 

[CaptainMal]

Thanks Erik,

Flat got "pooped out" trying to get them to come out clean. Then I wondered if it was a pressure thing with that bore paste. Could have tried it with another barrel but not sure that would be clean.

You just saved me a whole lot more work. THANKS!

 

[dmoran]

Iosso is white coming out of the tube, then turns black as you scrub the bore with it.
Then you push clean patches through until they come out clean.
If you fallow there instructions, it says to use there "Triple Action" oil in combination with clean patches until they come out clean.
Nothing cuts carbon like Iosso in my opinion, but I do suggest to fallow there instructions (on the tube).
Donovan

 

[jonbearman]

I like marvel mystery oil or tranny fluid as they both are excellent detergent type cleaners. Then patch dry and oil is necessary after the iosso.

 

[dmoran]

I like marvel mystery oil or tranny fluid as they both are excellent detergent type cleaners. Then patch dry and oil is necessary after the iosso.

Jon -
Both the Iosso "Bore-cleaner" and "Triple-Action Oil" are BIO based made from plant extracts.
Using petroleum based oils as your advising "goes against the concept" to BIO does it not?
Are BIO and petroleum penetrates like your suggesting even compatible? (I would think not)
Donovan

 

[CaptainMal]

You guys got me lookin'.

Seems Bore Tech's C4 Carbon Remover, that I was using, is marked biodegradable and environmentally friendly. That doesn't mean squat to me but while looking it up I also saw they market a copper-removing product that is the same and is not petroleum based. Never read whether C4 is or is not petroleum based.

I did not read the Iosso tube. You need a good magnifier to read it. Even after reading I did not put any significance to that "Triple Action Solution" they mention to use pre and post Iosso paste. Nothing on the tube about bio issues that I can see.

Education is a wonderful thing.

 

[artbosco]

IOSSO and JB Bore Cleaning Compound always come out black.

 

[dmoran]

CaptainMal -

All the "Bore Tech" line are BIO as I know it (is why it is popular with the military and is made to military demands).
BIO cleaners and lubricants are just that, non-petroleum based and environment friendly (Green).
Donovan

 

[GSPV]

As an experiment put Iosso or JB on a clean patch and rub on an area of clean stainless. You will see that it turns black.

Do similar, on an with Mothers mag and aluminum polish. They will look the same.

Do not do this on something that you don't want to put a polish on.

Just something to think about.

 

[jonbearman]

You can go green moran but I like petro chemical items as they work. To be honest I did not realize we were only talking about bio stuff . I have tried a lot of the bio degradable cleaners on the market on guns and most are worthless. If you use bio stuff then I am happy for you but unfortunately if you try it as a soak in a barrel for instance like slip 2000 then you will see how worthless a lot of them are. Transmission oil will actually clean as you are running it through the barrel , and the minute amounts you use a year doesn't add up to how much your car or truck leaks on the pavement every month. So I will stick with my recommendation and I respect your opinion so please respect mine that is all I can ask of you.

 

[StevenDzupin]

The black you continue to see is finely divided metal particles.

Take a piece of most any clean metal and rub those compounds on it and you'll

get a black substance. It's the metal itself your seeing.

Regards,

Steve

 

[KWeigel]

A wise man once said the first patch with any metal compound cleans carbon, The next is steel.

 

[dmoran]

You can go green moran but I like petro chemical items as they work. To be honest I did not realize we were only talking about bio stuff . I have tried a lot of the bio degradable cleaners on the market on guns and most are worthless. If you use bio stuff then I am happy for you but unfortunately if you try it as a soak in a barrel for instance like slip 2000 then you will see how worthless a lot of them are. Transmission oil will actually clean as you are running it through the barrel , and the minute amounts you use a year doesn't add up to how much your car or truck leaks on the pavement every month. So I will stick with my recommendation and I respect your opinion so please respect mine that is all I can ask of you.

Jon -
The topic of the thread, and question is pertaining to removal of "Iosso Bore Cleaner"
I added that the instructions by Iosso is to use there "Triple Action Oil' in combination to removal/cleaning.
You then added your input to use "marvel mystery oil or tranny fluid"... as instead of the Triple Action
I then questioned the use of them with Iosso to compatibility, since Iosso is a BIO product and your suggestions are petroleum penetrates.

I said nothing about going green or anything about BIO effectiveness. I also did not say what you use is bad or anything I use is better. I simply questioned your suggestion's compatibility..
Your now implying a lot of rubric that was never stated above - IMO

Some input for you from me (take it or leave it). Basically there are 3 kinds of cleaners:
- Water based
- Petroleum based
- BIO based
Mixing them as I know it is not a good suggestion, without neutralizing steps completed between them.
And is why I was questioning your suggestion to use petroleum penetrates steps with a BIO cleaner.
Further more, water-based cleaners (Sweets7.62, Barnes CR10, etc) need air to work (oxidation) and petroleum based cleaners (Montana Extreme, Hoppes, etc) do not. Comparing the 3 in "soaking" methods/tests is fubar, to say the least.
You have stated in other threads about "snake oils" and I agree, there is "snake oil" cleaners out there. But there is also cleaners that are not used by the intended instructions and will not work or not work very well if they are not fallowed. And then there is the "compatible" aspects between the 3 types, and how they will not allow each other to work right if they are used in conjunction with each other (as you suggested above).

Use what you want to and suggest what ever you want to, but I will question and/or red-flag anyone that is suggesting the use of two cleaners that are non-compliant of each other.
Donovan

 

[jonbearman]

Been cleaning that Dasher barrel I ruined with carbon last year and waiting for the new Krieger to arrive. Latest bore scoping done showed it clean a couple months ago. Been shooting it with mixed results lately and cleaning, cleaning, cleaning after each shoot. Using C-4 and some Iosso. Looked good but I am starting to see the beginnings of the old problem.

Home in the rain today so I took what I thought was a clean barrel and put a patch with Iosso Bore Paste in.
Was shocked to see what you can see. Then the next 4 came out increasingly worse. The picture is the first 5 patches.

Now, at least 4 hours later I have done washings with C-4 Carbon Cleaner, some brushes with patches of J.B Paste and maybe 30 MORE patches with Iosso. They keep coming out solid black.

Question...Does a tight Iosso patch, in a clean barrel, ever come out white?

As you can see Eric answered the question and we expanded the actual question. My suggestion was for after cleaning protection as you leave the stuff I suggested in the barrel and patch out when you use it and oil for a cold bore shot.I didn't explain myself good enough. I have used marvel oil for 50 years and it really works to protect. I use iosso and jb depending on what is available when I need it.I clean with iosso and dry patch out and then marvel it out with patches and does seem to work. But I do see your point as the iosso is water based. However I just patch it out.I will try the triple action oil in the near future and see if it works better.