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Can a Novice Do a Bedding Job?

My Howa 223 Remington barreled action and Bell & Carlson Medalist tactical stock have been at a gunsmith for almost three months now, and while it supposed to have been bedded some time ago, it keeps getting delayed. The stock has an aluminum bedding block, but with some testing, found the recoil lug was not even touching the block. All recoil was being absorbed by the tang recess in the stock.

I may ask for the parts to be sent back and try it myself, but an not confident this is something a novice such as myself can do. I see videos on YouTube, but no way to know if those approaches are proper or not. I sure as heck don't want to end up "locking" my action into the stock if I get bedding compound in the wrong place! I can't find any other gunsmith to do this.

Phil
 
I always have a slight fear of gluing my action into the stock when I glass bed it. So far, I have not but that doesn't mean that I won't. I understand that a trip to the freezer and a rap with a mallet will break it loose so gluing the action in is not the end of the world.

I use transparent shoe wax by Kiwi as my release agent. I fill areas in the action and stock with styrofoam or modeling clay that I don't want filled with devcon. I also tape off everything that I don't want bedded because I seem to get devcon on stuff. I use blue masking tape as my tape. I put two or three layers on the sides, bottom and front of the recoil lug and wind several layers of tape on the barrel slightly in front of the recoil lug and near the end of the forend of the stock. This insures that I have clearance at the recoil lug and that the barrel is free floating from the stock. I then coat everything with shoe polish. After the shoe polish is dry, I buff the areas where action and stock will come in contact, then mix the devcon and smear it over the action and stock where the two come together. I smear both the action and the stock so that I don't have any voids in the bedding once it has hardened. Squeeze the action and stock together and clean up the extra devcon that should come out of the seam where the action and stock come together. I wrap the action and stock with electrician's tape to hold it together while the devcon sets. At this point it is time to pray that you didn't miss any spot with your release agent and exhibit extreme patience while waiting for the devcon to set.

It really isn't hard to do. More time is spent in prepping the proper clearances in the stock and taping off everything than is spent applying the bedding compound.

Good luck,

Cort
 
Phil,
I decided to do a bedding job on my new Choate stock that has an aluminum block. I had never done this before but had a good idea how to do it. I bought a stock bedding kit from Sinclair. The kit was made by Score High Gunsmithing. The kit had aluminum pillars, which I didn't need, and everthing you will need to do a pretty good job. It has written instructions and a DVD step by step instructions. Did mine in 2 hours and it turned out not perfect for my first effort but a good job that works. Most of the time is preparation and very little in actual bedding. If you can follow instruction carefully it's not hard.
PM me if you have any questions.

Dave :)
 
Modeling clay is a biz-nitch to get out of crevices and holes. Play-doh is easier to work with. Go for it. Read and watch videos. Its not terribly difficult.
 
Y'all really need to try Silly Putty & a Dental pick. It hangs together better than plumbers putty or play-doh and can be used over and over.
 
Short answer, Yes you can bed it. read EVERYTHING you can google up about it. Float therear tang (more reading). If you ruin it, grind out and try again. As said above, we all had to learn sometime :)
 
I think that if you review the starting post, that you will see that his rifle is a Howa, and for that reason floating the tang is really not an option. That is a Savage issue. Of course this is an oversight that I have made myself, skimming the question a bit too lightly.
 
BoydAllen said:
I think that if you review the starting post, that you will see that his rifle is a Howa, and for that reason floating the tang is really not an option. That is a Savage issue. Of course this is an oversight that I have made myself, skimming the question a bit too lightly.
:) Your'e right. I had just read a post about a Savage bedding question. LOL
 
Getting back to the original question, I encourage you to do your own bedding. After you get it right (It may take a couple of redos to get there.) you will feel a great satisfaction and know that you have graduated to a new level in your gun hobby. Having said that, let me give you a few tips. Make sure that any place that bedding compound could ooze out is covered with the sort of painters masking tape that comes off easily, and before you cover those areas, do a test in a less conspicuous area to make sure that the tape is not going to hurt your stock's finish. The next important thing is to make sure that you have release not only on the area that is touching the bedding, but on adjacent areas. You should use a Dremel tool, or something similar to rough up the areas where you want the bedding to adhere. I like non directional carbide burrs for this work, and have found that lower rpms make the tool easier to control. Also, put masking around the edges before you start, to prevent a slip turning into visible damage. One of the big issues is filling holes that could cause the bedding material to form a key so that the bedding has to be broken to get the action out of the stock, even though the release keeps it from bonding. In the past, I have used modeling clay, and more recently I have seen a video where one fellow trimmed the clay flush with the metal by using a piece of taunt monofilament, or something similar. Another issue is creating stress by how the barreled action is held in contact with the curing bedding, in the stock. I find that putting some sort of support well out into the barrel channel is a good idea, as well as using headless guide screws, and wrapping the whole action and stock beneath it with surgical tubing gives evenly distributed light clamping force. Using the action screws to force the action into the bedding material is to be avoided. You will need to wrap your guide screws to leave clearance for the action screws so that they do not touch the insides of their holes when the job is finished. I also find it a good idea to remove any areas of bedding, after the material has set up, that would act as a secondary recoil surface, for example behind the tang. You will have to inspect your bedding to find these areas. I would also recommend that you carefully tape off your trigger and make sure that in doing so that you don't leave or create any keys. Any taping should also get release. When bedding a flat bottom action, you may want to take the trigger off the action, but for a round action that can come to rest at different points of rotation, having the trigger in place will allow you to make sure that it is centered in its mortise. There is nothing like discovering that your new bedding job has your trigger rubbing the stock where it had not before, and that your trigger is at a slight angle to where it belongs. Finally, there is an issue with Howas that is not shared with many other actions. The front action screw hole is in the bottom of the integral recoil lug, that is at the very front of the action. This raises the question of whether to have clearance at the bottom of the lug, and whether having a small amount of bedding under the back of the barrel is desirable. Normally, I don't bed under barrel shanks, but for a Howa, for the reasons mentioned, I might put 2-3 layers of tape around the shank of the barrel about an inch from the action so that you have a precisely defined bedding area in front of the action screw. I would also tape the bottom sides and front of the lug, and use a thin layer of tape all around the sides of the action, with a added thickness at the back of the tang. A common mistake, that I have made more than once is to take the barreled action out of the stock before the bedding is fully hardened, so that material that needs trimming can be trimmed more easily than if it was fully hardened. Resist this temptation. Find something else to do for at least a couple of days, till the bedding has had a chance to fully cure, and then some. There are a lot of other little details that you will learn along the way, but that is part of the fun. You will make some mistakes. That is to be expected. Take your time, study the problem as much as you can manage, including looking at videos, and report back on your progress.
 
The first time I bed a rifle, I had a book on how to do it.
But I get epoxy on my pants, my chair, and the floor.
The epoxy leaked out of where it was supposed to be, but there was enough left to glue the barreled action to the stock.
I had to break the stock to get it apart.

Now dozens of glass bedding and pillar bedding jobs later, I think I can do it.

The odd thing is that glass bedding never makes a 223 any more accurate.
Rifles that kick hard get a tiny amount more accurate.
But doing bedding wrong, that bends the barrel, can make the rifle much less accurate.

Still, bedding is not as pointless and flash hole deburring, and it is one time cost, not recurring.
 
I have always seen an improvement in accuracy when I did a proper bedding job. (all on wood stocks) My first try came out of the stock with no problems. Also, I managed to not get any epoxy on things that I did not want to. I worked on newspaper, wiped off the squeeze out off as I went. Of course in preparing the stock, I floated the barrel with enough clearance, and took all the time needed to prepare the barreled action and stock, before I mixed bedding compound, as well has planning my moves, and having everything that I could possibly need right where I needed it, before I started. Just because the bedding covers the required area, and looks good, does not guarantee that it is properly done, or is stress free. There is a proper method for checking it. Of course I am probably better with mechanical things, than some, and I have seen fellows that should never pick up a screwdriver, because they lack any aptitude for working with their hands.
 
Clark said:
The first time I bed a rifle, I had a book on how to do it.
But I get epoxy on my pants, my chair, and the floor.
The epoxy leaked out of where it was supposed to be, but there was enough left to glue the barreled action to the stock.
I had to break the stock to get it apart.

Now dozens of glass bedding and pillar bedding jobs later, I think I can do it.

The odd thing is that glass bedding never makes a 223 any more accurate.
Rifles that kick hard get a tiny amount more accurate.
But doing bedding wrong, that bends the barrel, can make the rifle much less accurate.

Still, bedding is not as pointless and flash hole deburring, and it is one time cost, not recurring.


For phil3 sake and everyone else who might be misinformed by the above post I have to totally disagree with the above!! Bedding can improve accuracy regardless of the amount of recoil. I have seen vast improvements from a bedding job on 223's, 222's,221 and 17 fireballs. When I say vast, I am talking about cutting groups in half. I have seen rifles go from shooting 1" down to 1/2 inch. I have seen 3/4 inch groups go down in the .4's. And this is consistently not every other group or so. With that said, yes bedding will not ALWAYS improve a rifles accuracy but, I would not say never, regardless of cartridge size.

Also I have seen great improvments from a bedding job on rifles that came from the factory with v-blocks or pillars already installed.

These are all personal experiences, not stuff I have read of the internet.
 
One trick I have learned on Bedding is after you have run thru the mock up to make sure everything looks and feels right and are ready to mix up the bedding mix.
I then use the fine graphite power, I brush the graphite on top of the shoe polish and brush the whole barrel and action. Just a lite coat is all that is needed. Never had a problem getting one apart with this process.
One trick is to wear gloves when you are brushing on the graphite power.
 

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