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California: This Week Is It!

This coming week, the CA legislature will either vote for or vote down a slew of gun bills. Some of these are so bad, it really begins to test my ability to continue shooting. Seriously. Does one operate (shoot) under the oppressive heavy hand of government, severely restricted in freedom, or just say, "I'm done", and move onto something else, or move out of CA (where possible). At some point, the stress, fuming anger, frustration, inability to effect ANY change, disregard of freedoms, et al, is taking too much of a toll. It is different for all of us, but I am dangerously close to the line in the sand.

One law affects semi-auto centerfire rifles. It basically makes them ALL illegal. You can keep what you have, but registration of all semi-auto centerfire weapons, with thumbprint and personal information would be the law. You would also be prohibited to sell to anyone in the state (effectively exterminating all from the state over time as owners died), and there is the elimination of grandfathered legally purchased 11+ round mags (making it a crime to even own one). Letting the state know I have weapons through registration is just scary, but if I don't, then I am a felon.

You might say, "I just shoot bolt guns, so it doesn't bother me". True, unless the ammo bill is passed. No Internet ammo purchases, unless it is sent to an ammo vendor for a "face-to-face" pickup. I am sure vendors will be charging a fee for that. If you are thinking "I reload, what do I care", previous legislation (not passed) has stated that ammunition is defined as a complete cartridge that can fire, or any of the components of that cartridge. That may very well be the definition that comes out of current legislation. Think you are going to find specialized bullets, 6mmBR cases, primers, and your perfect powder at the local gun store? Not likely.

Governor Brown has to sign these, and we will see. That is the only hope. Legislator's offices were saying they were inundated with calls against these bills, but the politicians absolutely, positively, DO NOT CARE. The scum bags all voted for them anyway.

If Brown signs off on these, I will have to get inventive on securing ammo stuff, consider selling my ARs or sending out of state, until courts settle it. In the case of the semi-auto rifles, the law effectively outlaws an entire class of weapons, semi-auto centerfire rifles, of ANY type, including a Ruger Mini-14.

My hatred of this state cannot be overstated.

Rant over.

Phil
 
Phil, just get out of that liberal state! Let them rot in the world of their own making! Come to Texas, where it is STILL the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave!! "I 'taint jokin' neither", as Curly Bill Brocious said in Tombstone!!
 
This will spread as california and new york state are now obama test beds for stupid laws.
 
jonbearman said:
This will spread as california and new york state are now obama test beds for stupid laws.

What he said...


NY's gun laws drove me and my business out of NY, and CT laws will do the same thing.
 
Born and raised in California. I bailed out of that state over twenty years ago, and consider it to be one of the best moves I've ever made. At about that same time, there was already a massive exit of CA shooters, with a great many moving across the border to AZ. I could not, and would not live in California again for any reason, love or money. I love the beaches, the mountains and deserts but the political climate out there is absolutely insufferable.

Vote with your feet and your money, and leave that place to its inevitable crash.
 
Running away from California to a safe haven doesn't take much courage.
What ever happened to the principal of "Stand and Fight"?
 
I stay because I rock climb and Yosemite, combined with the mild weather, is ideal. When I get older and can't climb I'll probably leave. It's just too expensive in addition to all the over regulation. No rangefinder on my bow...no Luminoks...copper bullets....bullet buttons on my AR...10 round magazines...the DOJ handgun list
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/ Ridiculous. And more are coming

Are all liberal states broke ?
 
Lapua40X said:
Running away from California to a safe haven doesn't take much courage.
What ever happened to the principal of "Stand and Fight"?

"Stand and Fight"... what. Loose your guns, your money, and be trampled over by a hoard of illegals... it is a noble, but futile cause.

Let it crash, then go back,fix the pieces, and start over again.
 
wedgy said:
Are all liberal states broke ?

Yes - as are all liberal cities.

Detroit, anyone? You can buy a house in Detroit for $500 and buy the surrounding lots for $250 each. You can have a 3 acre estate in the middle of Detroit.

But you have to be your own police force and fire department, cuz they closed up years ago. No street lights and no electricity, cuz the copper wiring was stolen. Oh, and no water either.
 
Phil,
To start Gov. Brown will sign anything they put in front of him, he doesn't have the pills not too.I spent much of my younger years shooting competively all over the state of Ca. for the U.S. Navy. I realized early in the 90,s that Ca would eventually be one of a handful of states that there would be a day sooner rather than later that firearms ownership would no longer be possible. You can use any excuse to stay such as finding a new hobby, but why would you give up something that you have commited much of your life too. You are never going to prevail legally in that state, because you also have the 9th Circut court which is nothing but a bunch of totally left leaning idiots that also don't care about anyones rights, as they have demostrated over the years.
To stay and fight is ludachrist, your in a fight that was lost long ago, your just posponing the inevitable by staying or modifying your belief that its going to get better. My bigger picture question is about manufacturers of bullets and firearms that call Ca home, why would they stay in such an gun unfriendly state. Like for instance Berger Bullets! how about RCBS I don't understand the corporate stance that would make a company stay, when they are being overtaxed and over regulated by out of control legislator's. Surrending your firearms is not an option, Ammo you can take a ride to Reno a couple of times a year or get an out of state family member to help out aquiring componenets and storing your AR-s. I wouldn't give a crap if I had to live in an RV, I would sell what ever I had in Ca. and get the heck out, if my wife said no I say have a nice life, and go anyway, I have been shooting since I was ten years old and no one individual or group of legislators is going to tell me I can't!
 
SongdogHunter,
There are other red states that are closer and offer a couple of things that are a bit friendlier than Texas!
Almost all hunting in Texas is on Private land that you have to lease!
 
Songdog,
Here in Idaho, you can buy a sportsman package, that includes the following license, and this is an across the counter sale, there are special hunt Zones that you have to put in for a draw, so DFG can maintain a healthy heard and trophy animals.
So here's the list of license included in a sportsmans package

Elk Tag, Deer Tag, Mountain Lion Tag, Wolf Tag, Turkey Tag, Bear Tag, Steelhead Permit, Salmon Permit, and Standard hunting and Fishing License. The total cost is $124.25.
The Bighorn Sheep, Moose, Antelope, Billy Goat are separate and are a draw only hunt. When you purchase your package you get a receipt for the Elk and Deer tag, if you want to hunt a controlled area you havce to apply and if you are picked for a controlled hunt area you surrender your receipt for the tag you were picked for. If not picked you can hunt a non controlled hunt area which you select and then turn in your receipt for that tag.
 
I feel for California shooters. I lived there for 15 years, and when it was time to get out I got out. It was time to get out in 2004 for us. The cities have too large a voting block and can rule the state without worrying about you rural types and we already know everything we will ever have to know about San Francisco and Bezerkly. Explain Diane Fienstein for me, or Nancy Pelosi in a way that makes sense and I'll send you 50 bullets of your choice. I get to decide if it makes sense though. Don't bother, cause you can't. Until the conservatives and rural farmers and ranchers can overwhelm the cities, you're stuck. Waiting on Monnbeam is a waste of time and oxygen.
 
Songdog>>ALL ultra-conservatives are welcome here!! C'mon down, the weather is brutal>>>but the political climate is GREAT!!
 
To stay and fight is not ludicrist, it is just not the easy way out.

If you have the freedom to move, then moving may be an easy way out for some people.

Every person in every state that believes in the constitutional right to keep and bear arms should be outraged and stand up and make a huge fuss over the wrongs against the people...no matter the state.

I'm disgusted with the people who only support shooters in gun friendly states...if they keep it up, pretty soon they won't have a place to exercise their rights, because people are whittling away at them...

Rant off....before the thread is locked up tight....

MQ1
 
Don't you just love what Democrats have done to California, New York, etc. The Democrats control Maryland and I left! You can to. Nothing is impossible. I just refused to give them any more of my money. I paid a lot of taxes. Finally said no more. Moved to West Virginia and the first thing I did was get a carry permit. It's good in Pa and Va. and a bunch more states, But not Maryland. Maryland sucks and I am so glad to be gone!
 
The problem in CA is that there's nothing left to fight for. The libs own the state, lock, stock and barrel, and their dependent classes that are draining the last bit of marrow out of it are never going to let conservatives back into power. That'd mean the end of the gravy train, and they're sure as hell not going to vote against their own interests. Need to pick and choose one's battles wisely, and California is already (and has long been) a lost cause. Move to a state that still appreciates freedom, respects the constitution and tends towards some semblance of personal responsibility. Once there, dig in like a tick and fight like hell.
 
that sucks!

The problem with stay and fight is its a tough, no thanks losing battle most of the time....the problem with moving is, it may only be helping delay an inevitable......long run, domino theory may just make it so enough states are total lib run that restrictions start pouring in from the Fed level and fre states are trampled under the federal heel.....its why EVERY battle must be fought
 

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