Burris XTR II 8-40x50 scope

[Ledd Slinger]

Anyone used one of these scopes yet? How's the glass? Intrigued by the magnification level, zero stop feature, and 70 MOA of elevation.

Being that it is a first focal plane scope, would it still be usable in a 1000 yard BR setting or would the reticle be too thick at max power? Thanks.

 

[JDMock]

I tested one last year and it is a fine instrument. The reticle is (imo) completely usable at 1000 yards. I did not shoot it at 1000 but I did compete in a 600 yard match with the scope at highest power. My write-up of this scope can be found in the on-line magazine "Long Range Hunting". You can Google it and look under the "articles" heading to find the write-up. Good shooting. James Mock

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Thanks James. I'll definitely check it out.

 

[jrm850]

I have been using one since they became available and really like it a lot. So far it has done 2x1000, 2x600, and 1x300 without a hitch. It's an easy scope to get comfortable with; I've never regretted buying it.

 

[Danattherock]

What about the 1/8 clicks. ???

I had been led to believe that was less than ideal for a long range scope. Otherwise, I'm interested as well. MarkCO, on another board, likely this one too, told me about this scope just last night. He is a an accomplished competitor and I've learned a lot from him over the years.

I'm also a huge Burris fan, owning two older signatures, 4-16 and 6-24 electro dot, as well as a Black Diamond 8-32. just took the BD off my 50 BMG as I was told 1/4 MOA or mil was needed when dialing at long distance. 1/8 click just being far from ideal as I was told. What am I missing?


Dan

 

[Ledd Slinger]

What about the 1/8 clicks. ???

I had been led to believe that was less than ideal for a long range scope. Otherwise, I'm interested as well. MarkCO, on another board, likely this one too, told me about this scope just last night. He is a an accomplished competitor and I've learned a lot from him over the years.

I'm also a huge Burris fan, owning two older signatures, 4-16 and 6-24 electro dot, as well as a Black Diamond 8-32. just took the BD off my 50 BMG as I was told 1/4 MOA or mil was needed when dialing at long distance. 1/8 click just being far from ideal as I was told. What am I missing?


Dan

For hunting I definitely prefer 1/4 MOA for quicker adjustment. A shot on a deer at 600 yards while being off on calculations by one or two 1/4 MOA clicks will probably still get the job done. For 1K target shooting, the 1/8 MOA is nice for getting precisely centered on the target. Especially if there's a bonus pot for 'closest to center' amongst the shooters.

 

[Danattherock]

But in the context of PRS or Designated Marksman events, engaging targets at varying distances from 200-1000 yards, does that change things. Would that make 1/8 clicks a handicap? I'm hearing 1/8 clicks is bad. One long range class I'm looking at taking says not to bring scopes with 1/8 clicks.

Why is mil or 1/4 MOA clicks desired in some disciplines, but not others. I've got a major void in my knowledge of scopes here. And it's the only reason I took my outstanding Burris Black Diamond 8-32 (1/8 clicks) off my 50 BMG recently. Thanks for your patience and candor.


Dan

 

[Dos XX]

Mil is a coarser adjustment than MOA. A mil is approx 3.4 minutes. In PRS type events, the thinking is you want to be able to make adjustments fast at the expense of fine resolution. In target shooting, you want fine resolution at the expense of speed.

If you had to make a 2 mil adjustment with a .125 moa scope, you would have to dial 54 clicks. With a .1 mil turret, you would dial 20 clicks. Much easier to lose your count on the 54 click move.

 

[CatShooter]

Mil is a coarser adjustment than MOA. A mil is approx 3.4 minutes. In PRS type events, the thinking is you want to be able to make adjustments fast at the expense of fine resolution. In target shooting, you want fine resolution at the expense of speed.

If you had to make a 2 mil adjustment with a .125 moa scope, you would have to dial 54 clicks. With a .1 mil turret, you would dial 20 clicks. Much easier to lose your count on the 54 click move.

No one counts 20 or 54 clicks.

You count MOA or MILS, and then count what is left. Either would take almost the same time... maybe 2 to 4 seconds!

Either 6 +6 clicks, or 2 +0... hard to lose count when counting 6 clicks.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

But in the context of PRS or Designated Marksman events, engaging targets at varying distances from 200-1000 yards, does that change things. Would that make 1/8 clicks a handicap? I'm hearing 1/8 clicks is bad. One long range class I'm looking at taking says not to bring scopes with 1/8 clicks.

Why is mil or 1/4 MOA clicks desired in some disciplines, but not others. I've got a major void in my knowledge of scopes here. And it's the only reason I took my outstanding Burris Black Diamond 8-32 (1/8 clicks) off my 50 BMG recently. Thanks for your patience and candor.


Dan

If engaging multiple targets at different ranges in a timed event, I would definitely go with 1/4 MOA or faster turrets. Especially if all you need is a hit or if the center of the target is larger in diameter.

I suppose you just have to decide what is best for the discipline you plan to shoot. I think 1/8 MOA clicks would be too slow in the event you described. Best thing to do is talk to all the pros at the events you want to shoot. Most folks who shoot multiple disciplines will have specific rifles with specific optics set up for each type of event.

 

[wvlongshot]

I would think if it was timed events, you would want to use the reticle? That is why it is so cluttered on that model right. Lots of aiming points already charted out on range card would equal fast target engagement? Or not?

 

[jrm850]

I've shot mil and 1/4 minute scopes for F open and always wished I had finer adjustments. This one has 10 minutes per turn just like many others, so as long as I count the big numbers it's pretty fast. This one has 7 clicks between the big numbers where a mil scope has 9 so an argument that could be made that it is easier to keep track of than mils as long as you can look at the turret while dialing.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I would think if it was timed events, you would want to use the reticle? That is why it is so cluttered on that model right. Lots of aiming points already charted out on range card would equal fast target engagement? Or not?

Very true. Good point. That would definitely make firing on multi range targets much quicker