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Budget 6XC

Let me preface this thread by saying that while my shooting is nothing to brag about the shooting that I did yesterday was some of the best I've ever done....Yeah, yeah these aren't bughole groups but for me to consistently shoot sub MOA (for the most part) during a single range session is a big deal. The older I get the less likely it is to happen..... ;)

The rifle is a Savage short action with a pre-fit 28" Criterion bull barrel screwed into it.

I am never afraid to include my bad groups. Everything that went down range yesterday from the 6XC is pictured......(well except a few sighters)

My wife could sense that I was getting an itchy trigger finger and she understands my need to spend a little time at the range every now and then. So off I went expecting the range to be packed.....but just as I was pulling up the last 2 guys that were there were packing things up. Sweet....the whole works to myself!

Here are the 2 targets that I shot today......





Groups 1-3 were 105 Hornady Match hollow points with 38, 39 and 40 grains of H4350 respectively.

Groups 4-6 were 105 Amax with the same powder charges as the above load.....#6 turned out pretty nice.

Groups 7-9 were 107 SMK's with the same charges as above......

The SMK 39 and 40 grain loads were starting to show signs of pressure....I could see some brass swipe on the case head, the bolt lift was getting a little sticky and the primers were flattening some.

Now I'm not sure what was happening with the last two groups but there could have been some eye fatigue involved from looking through the scope.....Or maybe the barrel was getting too dirty or a little too warm....which probably wasn't the case since I didn't let it get hot at all. I suspect that maybe the SMK isn't going to let me push it as hard as the other bullets but I still need to chrono these loads to verify the velocities. Group #7 looks pretty good but that's only 38 grains of H4350.

The rifle still needs to be bedded and the trigger needs some help. Those two things might not make a huge difference but any little bit will help.

But I felt pretty good about the results. With a little more tweaking it looks like any of these bullets will shoot....especially the Amax's.

I'd appreciate some feedback on these groups guys.....are there any glaring details you can point out that might eliminate some problems?
 
I was afraid you would say that. There is no way for me to sugar coat this. I do not mean to be insulting to you at all But I think that is a very poor shooting 6XC. Extreme wind can be a cause. 15-25 MPH gust could cause it to shoot like that.
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I'm looking at your bullet holes not the group size numbers . looks like a 1" center circle.
I think this is kind of normal 100 yrd groups from a 6XC. this is a #3 sporter barrel. not a heavy barrel
 

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This is some testing at 215 yds with my 6XC. Still learning to drive this one and the groups were shot in fading light.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12296998/5%20shot%20group/6xc%20testing.jpg

Need to load up some more and test again.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12296998/5%20shot%20group/Borden%20Alpine%206XC%20with%20March%20scope%201%2020140906.jpg

Regards

JCS
 
Damon 555,

Good for you! You left the range happy and that's what we all want. Every little bit (bedding,trigger) will help. I think that we oftentimes base our happiness on results that only the supershooters achieve(though many lie otherwise). When you get home and look at your target and realize that you put 3-5 shots into a quarter size hole at 100 yards it is not bad shooting by any means. Again, congratulations on your shooting!
 
I agree with Bobby Lee, That is decent shooting for your first attempt without windflags.

Make a couple of wind indicators , could be just coat hanger wire with some tufts of yarn, and just shoot a single condition.

Where you shooting off of a rest with sandbags or a bi-pod?

If your forend is round, try to make a flat plate to adapt to it. That will help stabilize the rifle on the bags.

Your on the right path, keep having fun.

Try a few 70gr Sierra SMKs for the heck of it. They shoot pretty good out to 200 yds.

Bob
 
jcampbellsmith said:
This is some testing at 215 yds with my 6XC. Still learning to drive this one and the groups were shot in fading light.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12296998/5%20shot%20group/6xc%20testing.jpg

Need to load up some more and test again.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12296998/5%20shot%20group/Borden%20Alpine%206XC%20with%20March%20scope%201%2020140906.jpg

Regards

JCS

That is a sweet rifle.

mine has shot well at 200 yards. I have never used a wind flag when shooting this rifle. I only use flags when I shoot the 6ppc. there was some big flags down range I looked at.

I don't have a problem with Damon555 being satisfied But I don't want to lie to him, he asked for some feedback so I gave it. I also talked to him and offered help to get it shooting. A heavy barreled savage with a 36x sightron on board in a 6XC should easily shoot 1/2 moa or better most of the time.

Sometimes when you size a target down to get it to fit on here it can make the size of things be deceiving. But to me the groups sizes Damon555 posted look sized on the small side to me. it may just be the looks of the target. but to me all those groups look like they are much larger. bullet holes too far apart. but it is hard to tell. I do not mean to be down on Damon555. I just know how the rifle should shoot and im sure Damon555 is more than up to the task as a shooter.

JCS try some RL17 I have been shooting it at 200 and further. seems to shoot Great.

That center dot is very hard to hit. I have put all 5 shots well inside the black at 200yrds in a groundhog match and never hit that dot. 50 0=x ...5 shots well inside of that center would be .545 200yrd group .272MOA
 

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Thanks for the input guys! Like I told FJIM in a PM "I'm a big boy, I can handle the truth". It was also mentioned that this whole thing is for my satisfaction only. There's no competition involved. The most enjoyable part of shooting for me is the challenge. I often lose interest in a rifle after it's shooting as well as I expect it to shoot. There's some work to be done here and I know it.....and I like it!

The rifle got bedded last night so my next range trip should tell the story of whether or not that was an issue. We shall see.....

As to my group sizes they were measured the same way they have always gotten measured. I use a caliper to measure center to center of the 2 shots the farthest apart. Not perfect by any means but close enough for me......
 
Damon555 said:
Thanks for the input guys! Like I told FJIM in a PM "I'm a big boy, I can handle the truth". It was also mentioned that this whole thing is for my satisfaction only. There's no competition involved. The most enjoyable part of shooting for me is the challenge. I often lose interest in a rifle after it's shooting as well as I expect it to shoot. There's some work to be done here and I know it.....and I like it!

The rifle got bedded last night so my next range trip should tell the story of whether or not that was an issue. We shall see.....

As to my group sizes they were measured the same way they have always gotten measured. I use a caliper to measure center to center of the 2 shots the farthest apart. Not perfect by any means but close enough for me......

Let us know how it does for you.
I would like to see you get it hammering. 1/2" to 1" groups at 200 yards. then that is when the fun begins you can start dialing out to 1,000 yards. it is a lot of fun shooting steel targets at different ranges. I'm no expert by any means and I have shot long range,groundhogs,deer,coyote for some time but when I started shooting steel and paper targets 500 to 1,000 yards you need a solid shooter for it and it is a lot of fun.


Here is one for fun. 14 twist 6BR 1,800 rounds. Barrel is on its way out but still shot this .118 5 shots at 100yrds just playing. not for competition,just for fun.
 

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Damon555, I think that it is great that you post your groups. As you said, there was a lot of wind, and it is very clear to see on the target. Main thing was that you got out and shot, had some fun, more fun posting the groups!

No doubt that you will be posting some great groups in the furure, and simply kill everything you point at. Bedding the gun will work wonders, as you are about to find out.

H4350 did not work well with my neighbor's rifle, but IMR 4895 ended up being the mack daddy with 120g Noslers, and that rifle shoots some real tiny groups, #4 contour, 26" long.

Look forward to some follow up groups in the near future, good luck!
 
My XC was driving me crazy. I got some 105 hybrids and I was getting consistent .5" groups at 100. I thought it would surely shoot better. I was ready to chunk it. I decided to shoot it at 200 with the same loads and it printed .5" (not MOA). I think I'll keep it a while longer.
 
FJIM said:
jcampbellsmith said:
This is some testing at 215 yds with my 6XC. Still learning to drive this one and the groups were shot in fading light.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12296998/5%20shot%20group/6xc%20testing.jpg

Need to load up some more and test again.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12296998/5%20shot%20group/Borden%20Alpine%206XC%20with%20March%20scope%201%2020140906.jpg

Regards

JCS

That is a sweet rifle....

JCS try some RL17 I have been shooting it at 200 and further. seems to shoot Great.
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FJIM. Thanks for your kind comments and advice. I do have some RL-17 hiding somewhere, so I will give that a whirl.

Best regards

JCS
 
Thanks for the encouraging words guys! I'll take everything mentioned here and systematically whittle down the variables until it all (hopefully) comes together.
 
My interpretation is that your targets are 3" in diameter, so your measurements make sense. Tip on measuring groups; better method is either measure outside edge to inside edge or measure outside edge to outside edge and subtract the diameter of the bullet.
Targets 1-3 105 hornday match hollow point - Target 3 has least amount of vertical of all the groups. Might play with seating depth at that powder charge to see if it shrinks horizontally...(and when 'no' wind or consistent wind present) and also try 39.5 & 40.5.
Targets 4-6 105 Amax - Target 6. Re-test with 39.5, 40.0, 40.5 & 41.0.

Read this thread: http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3814361.0
 

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