brass

[cmillard]

has anybody bought new winchester brass lately? i bought several bags of .223R and .300Win recently and the quality was horrible. folds in the case necks of which some of them you could see daylight through the fold--there were about 2-5 of these cases per bag. also, with the .300 brass, i could not chamfer the flash hole. it wouldnt cut any brass away, it was as if the flash hole was stepped down and my cutter couldnt get to it.

 

[Gearheadpyro]

I bought 500 .308's in the spring, the were all fine. I didn't scrap a single case.

 

[cmillard]

i thought about calling up winchester and trying to correct the problem--but im sure with such high demand, quality control will go down a little.

 

[dreever]

I bought 500 pieces of Winchester .223 brass and the flash holes all were punched off center. To Winchesters credit they sent me a UPS return and replaced it all after I sent it back.

Danny

 

[cmillard]

what happened to quality control?

 

[msnations]

money spent on quality control incurs diminishing returns, so its not economical to catch every single defect (usually brass is only randomly spot checked).

but then again, it sucks that your brass is all jacked up

 

[cmillard]

they need to do something different, especially if many pieces of the brass have defects. another poster said he bought 500 .223 and the primer pockets were punched off center.

 

[Steve Blair]

I purchased two lots of Winchester brass this year and found 2-3 defects in each 500 that rendered the case unusable. I buy Winchester when I cannot get Lapua, notably .284 Win and .22-250. The price is low enough that I tolerate the problems.

To address msnations comment: A proper quality system does not sort to quality but discovers the root cause of variability and reduces or eliminates it. This is often compared to peeling an onion. "Peeling" away one layer of variation only exposes another masked by the previous problem. Anyone who assembles precision ammunition and shoots for accuracy should understand this concept. If I was seeing runout of .010 on 90 of 100 rounds; I would not cull the bad cartridges, I would determine the causes and fix them until all my cartridges were acceptable.

 

[cmillard]

well said

 

[CanusLatransSnpr]

I purchased some bulk Remington brass in .22-250 and .243 this summer and I did not have a problem with a single piece of brass. Of course I needed to neck size and chamfer all the brass before loading but, thats par for the course with just about all new brass!

Mike