Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover

[garandman]

@shoot4fun ... was alot of $ for a rimfire. SSOOO worth it.

 

[Prose]

If you fully dry patched was any bore tech actually left on the rifling surface?

Forum Boss is specifically talking Boretech ELIMINATOR. This thread is specifically talking Boretech C4 Carbon Remover. FB may have a good eye but maybe you should stay relevant to the thread at hand?

Dry patched at least once maybe twice honestly I don’t remember. It looked dry. Rust was uniform on entire bore under humid (but not insane) conditions.

I included the lingo for c2,c4,and eliminator. All guidance is the same and all water based, therefore relevant.

 

[leclairk]

I’ve posted about this before but here you go. Rusted chamber after using bore tech eliminator. Cleaned the rifle, oiled the rifle, month later removed the oil and went shooting. Got home, put the rifle away fouled. Pulled the rifle out a month after that...rusted chamber. It’s a Savage model 10, yes I have dehumidifiers in my safe, yes the safe is in a climate controlled environment, and no, no other firearms in the safe have rust. I don’t use BT anymore.

 

[Nature Boy]

Why am I not having these issues?

 

[snakepit]

Why am I not having these issues?

I agree with you. I have been using the BoreTec products since they came out on about a dozen rifles and have never had any issues like others have mentioned. I do use a good bore guide, always dry patch out and continually use my Hawkeye Bore Scope to check out the barrels and never have any problems. I guess if it works for you use it and if not move on to some other cleaner. I think most of this might come down to your individualized cleaning procedures, your environment and how you store rifles. Myself and my rifles are happy with the results so no need to change.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I’ve posted about this before but here you go. Rusted chamber after using bore tech eliminator. Cleaned the rifle, oiled the rifle, month later removed the oil and went shooting. Got home, put the rifle away fouled. Pulled the rifle out a month after that...rusted chamber. It’s a Savage model 10, yes I have dehumidifiers in my safe, yes the safe is in a climate controlled environment, and no, no other firearms in the safe have rust. I don’t use BT anymore.

Probably the steel.

 

[garandman]

This seems like a typical correlation vs. causality discussion. Those are two different things. "Correlation" means it happenned while using Bore Tech products. "Causality" means the Bore Tech products caused it.

Proving both correlation AND causality would require more than just a small sample size of testing. Significantly more than the anecdotal evidence I've read, here. Much of the anecdotal evidence provied here is actually in conflict with other anecdotal evidence provided here. Who do ya believe? I dunno.

BTW....***even Bore Tech *** says its cleaners are NOT intended as long term protection against rust / corrosion. ( I generically asked them what their recommended cleaning methods / products are. They offerred that info re: long term firearm protection, unsolicited.) They sell other products for that. In reality, if we want BOTH cleaning and protection, we should use products specifically intended / designed to do both jobs.

Its kinda like talking to your doctor. If we don't take the PRIMARY interest in managing our own health, they aren't gonna. The primary responsibility for the cleaning and care of my guns falls to (shocker!) me.

 

[urbanrifleman]

This seems like a typical correlation vs. causality discussion. Those are two different things. "Correlation" means it happenned while using Bore Tech products. "Causality" means the Bore Tech products caused it.

Proving both correlation AND causality would require more than just a small sample size of testing. Significantly more than the anecdotal evidence I've read, here. Much of the anecdotal evidence provied here is actually in conflict with other anecdotal evidence provided here. Who do ya believe?

This.^^^^

Shooter "A" shoots new world record. Says he sacrifices a live chicken before every match. Claims live chicken sacrifice "works". Price of chicken goes up.

 

[dogdude]

I’ve posted about this before but here you go. Rusted chamber after using bore tech eliminator. Cleaned the rifle, oiled the rifle, month later removed the oil and went shooting. Got home, put the rifle away fouled. Pulled the rifle out a month after that...rusted chamber. It’s a Savage model 10, yes I have dehumidifiers in my safe, yes the safe is in a climate controlled environment, and no, no other firearms in the safe have rust. I don’t use BT anymore.

I used Eliminator ONCE !! Don't want too Rant..rest of there products not bad..flush with Kroil..done.

 

[Murray Brook]

I've been used Eliminator, Cu2, and carbon remover for the last several years. Not a problem so far. I must also say that I dry patch and, if stored for a while, use a rust preventive in the bore.

 

[shoot4fun]

This.^^^^

Shooter "A" shoots new world record. Says he sacrifices a live chicken before every match. Claims live chicken sacrifice "works". Price of chicken goes up.

Does Shooter A choke that chicken?
Just need to know the exact sacrificing procedure.

 

[TAJ45]

Does Shooter A choke that chicken?
Just need to know the exact sacrificing procedure.

It may well depend on whether the shooter in question has a bolt or a port.
Like call sign "Goose" /Top Gun said: "I just crack myself up".

 

[garandman]

Correlation vs causality in accurate shooting is likely the #1 cause of bickering in gun forums.

People find something that worked for them and then insist it is an absolute universal 100% effective method for everybody everywhere else at all times and if anybody dares disagree with them (even citing their own personal first hand experience), they insult and attack.

Here *is* a 100% universally true fact ... your barrel is different than mine. So differences in performance and cleaning methods are not out of the question. They might be the same. Maybe .... or they may be different...

 

[urbanrifleman]

Correlation vs causality in accurate shooting is likely the #1 cause of bickering in gun forums.

People find something that worked for them and then insist it is an absolute universal 100% effective method for everybody everywhere else at all times and if anybody dares disagree with them (even citing their own personal first hand experience), they insult and attack.

Here *is* a 100% universally true fact ... your barrel is different than mine. So differences in performance and cleaning methods are not out of the question. They might be the same. Maybe .... or they may be different...

This should be a sticky post.

And second thing would be the things that are not tested at all, but someone of prominence says it DOESN'T MATTER.

 

[JEFFPPC]

What I gather from this thread is , some folks clean their guns and put them away dry with no oil in them . I have a friend who does this during the shooting season, says barrels are stainless doesn't need anything . Sounds not smart to me. Like most threads this one made a turn but hopefully some will benefit from it. Steel needs protection.

 

[Steve Donlon]

I have a thread on muzzle brake that is held in place to keep timed by two pinch bolts that I take off and clean every time I clean my rifle after shooting. I spend more time cleaning the muzzle brake than I do my rifle. That C4 stuff really helps get all that crud out of my brake, my chamber and any where else carbon builds up.

 

[garandman]

What I gather from this thread is , some folks clean their guns and put them away dry with no oil in them . I have a friend who does this during the shooting season, says barrels are stainless doesn't need anything . Sounds not smart to me. Like most threads this one made a turn but hopefully some will benefit from it. Steel needs protection.

An extra 60 seconds to protect a $5-600 barrel.

 

[dc.fireman]

IOSSO is a polish. Polishing the barrel seems like a bad idea.

I use IOSSO on any barrel that has a carbon smear/ring. It works well on my match rifles, and makes short work of the carbon.

Naptha lighter fluid is a great follow up inside the bore - and a great trigger lube. The flammable fluid part evaporates, leaving the waxy Naptha behind which acts like a light wax lube. Burns out on the first shot through the bore, hangs around on triggers without attracting grit and sediment like oil does.

Pics here.

 

[338 dude]

Why am I not having these issues?

I have seen none of these issues myself either

 

[garandman]

I have seen none of these issues myself either

Id bet the rust / whatever has more to do with the ambient humidity / climactic conditions and would have happenned whatever cleaner was used, if no protectant was used.