Bolt disassembled when not in use?

[Field_2_Fork]

He wasn't talking about you. He was talking about what's on the internet

Not sure I agree, the comment is addressed at my question about what I was told by someone I shoot with.

Regardless, I've deleted my somewhat cantankerous reply, it was a bit much.

 

[K22]

Not sure I agree, the comment is addressed at my question about what I was told by someone I shoot with.

Regardless, I've deleted my somewhat cantankerous reply, it was a bit much.

Hey, no problem -I can take criticism, I just hate to see this kind of nonsense (taking the bolt apart between range sessions / hunting trips) that might send a new shooter off into the weeds. I've been in the weeds a few times myself and it ain't fun.

My comment was not directed at you, but at the insane stuff you see purported in the shooting sports. But this is a hobby, so if someone wants to clean their barrel with cow pee, so be it.

If you think you're grumpy now, wait to you hit your mid-70's.

 

[Field_2_Fork]

Hey, no problem -I can take criticism, I just hate to see this kind of nonsense (taking the bolt apart between range sessions / hunting trips) that might send a new shooter off into the weeds. I've been in the weeds a few times myself and it ain't fun.

My comment was not directed at you, but at the insane stuff you see purported in the shooting sports. But this is a hobby, so if someone wants to clean their barrel with cow pee, so be it.

If you think you're grumpy now, wait to you hit your mid-70's.

Something to look forward to!

Thanks for the clarification and the understanding, much appreciated.

 

[Liven The Dream]

I have 70 year old K 98 Mauser that still goes bang ️

 

[Dave M.]

That's what I have been doing for almost 30 years and have had zero problems.

Exactly what I do.

 

[jackieschmidt]

if you are worried about this sort of thing, It does no good to just take the bolt apart, you have to diss assemble the firing pin assy and release the spring.

I think this whole bad firing pin spring thing was invented by spring manufacturers in order to sell springs And gunsmiths who want to install them.

My favorite Farley still has the original spring from 1997. It has fired thousands of rounds. I checked It a while back and it still has the exact same 24 pounds of static tension as it did then. It still shoots great.

It’s easy to check the static tension of a firing pin spring. All you need is a decent bathroom scale and a piece with hole in it.

When I get home, I will take a picture. It ain’t rocket science.

By the way, taking a firing pin out of the bolt for any period of time might seem like a good idea until you accidentally drop it and bend the tip.

 

[rwj]

I am awaiting some replacement firing pin springs from Kelblys for my 6PPC Panda, this has got me searching out proper bolt maintenance. I've read a few threads about pin fall and spring weight testing (still not 100% certain on how to measure that but I'll keep reading).

Someone recently recommended that I take the bolt completely apart when not shooting and relieve all tension off the spring, even for 1 week of storage between league nights. I have the Kleinendorst tool so doing it is no problem, but is it really necessary? I've never heard of anyone doing this.

Please report/post the difference in the free lengths of the used versus new springs. You’ll find the answer to your question in the result…

 

[Thekaiser]

Meaning you disassemble the bolt OR un-cock it?

I disassemble. Per Kelbys advice.

 

[Thekaiser]

Meaning you disassemble the bolt OR un-cock it?

I disassemble. Per Kelbys advice. Put an old spring against a new one. You'll see the difference.

 

[M-61]

I disassemble. Per Kelbys advice. Put an old spring against a new one. You'll see the difference.

I merely asked what you meant by ‘disassemble’.
You answered.
I’m not doing any spring length test.
Anyone can do or believe anything they want. Not my concern.

 

[jackieschmidt]

This is an easy way to check the static poundage. Just push down on the shroud while watching the scale. When you feel the spring give, take note of the scale reading. With a little practice, you can get good results.Do it several times and you will get the hang of it.

 

[Field_2_Fork]

This is an easy way to check the static poundage. Just push down on the shroud while watching the scale. When you feel the spring give, take note of the scale reading. With a little practice, you can get good results.View attachment 1421670Do it several times and you will get the hang of it.

Thanks for the picture Jackie, it takes away any uncertainty in the process.

 

[Martin52]

Someone recently recommended that I take the bolt completely apart when not shooting and relieve all tension off the spring, even for 1 week of storage between league nights. I have the Kleinendorst tool so doing it is no problem, but is it really necessary? I've never heard of anyone doing this.

I use a Lowey bolt protector - it de-cocks the bolt and provides protection when not in use.

Products - Lowey

Shooting products and rifle products for smallbore and air rifle

loweyproducts.com

 

[Murray Brook]

@M-61
Your first post got me to thinking about @riflewoman . Haven't seen her post in a while. Hope all is ok.

 

[M-61]

@M-61
Your first post got me to thinking about @riflewoman . Haven't seen her post in a while. Hope all is ok.

Yeah I know. Not on since October. Very knowledgeable regarding metals also. She was in the aircraft industry for over 30 years. Built her own plane last summer. I asked on this site and no one knew anything further. I hope she is fine and just went to another site.

 

[JMayo]

I wonder why they're isn't a decocking bolt holder made in the usa.

 

[rwj]

I wonder why they're isn't a decocking bolt holder made in the usa.

You just identified a business opportunity!

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I think what can be taken away from all of this is that de-cocking or whatever likely won't make much difference but it can't hurt anything either. Today's custom actions are not yesterday's Mausers. We have taken it to extremes with minimal pin weight and fall, as well as cock on close, etc, mostly in the name of how smooth can we make it feel, rather than how does it perform. For that reason, I simply make it a practice to swap springs every year or two. Does it help? Maybe, maybe not..but it doesn't hurt either and is cheap insurance against ignition issues that can be tough to diagnose/recognize and may progress with time. I've seen a new spring that made a whole different animal but ideally, it doesn't get to that point and I prevent ever seeing a change.

 

[Larryh128]

I am awaiting some replacement firing pin springs from Kelblys for my 6PPC Panda, this has got me searching out proper bolt maintenance. I've read a few threads about pin fall and spring weight testing (still not 100% certain on how to measure that but I'll keep reading).

Someone recently recommended that I take the bolt completely apart when not shooting and relieve all tension off the spring, even for 1 week of storage between league nights. I have the Kleinendorst tool so doing it is no problem, but is it really necessary? I've never heard of anyone doing this.

Some serious over thinking by some people.

 

[br1111]

He wasn't talking about you. He was talking about what's on the internet

I will say this. Jim kelbly recommends a new spring every 2 years. I replaced mine in a grizzly action (kelblys) and it was a half inch shorter than the new one. Maybe the new one is longer because they simply changed it for more energy.